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1. Ronald Kirkman

   

   42 posts
   
   12/3/2014 9:12 PM

   Greetings:
   
   Protestors have a right to protest. They do not have a right to take away the non-protestors rights.
   
   So, let's try this - No police at any sporting event - Football, Basketball, Hockey Etc. No police after any sporting event to direct traffic.
   
   No police to move protestors. Just let them be and do as they wish.
   
   Capt. Kirk
   Retired Alien
   Needham Golf Club
   Needham, MA

   
   
   
   
2. Steven Huffstutler

   

   11 posts
   
   12/4/2014 6:12 AM

   Ronald Kirkman said: Greetings:
   
   Protestors have a right to protest. They do not have a right to take away the non-protestors rights.
   
   So, let's try this - No police at any sporting event - Football, Basketball, Hockey Etc. No police after any sporting event to direct traffic.
   
   No police to move protestors. Just let them be and do as they wish.
   
   Capt. Kirk
   Retired Alien
   Needham Golf Club
   Needham, MA

   
   
   
   
   What?
   Never drink and post.

   
   
   
   
3. Keith Lamb

   

   3 posts
   
   12/4/2014 9:12 AM

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4. Ronald Kirkman

   

   42 posts
   
   12/4/2014 1:12 PM

   Sorry guys;
   
   I don't drink. However, after sixty (60) years it's possible the chemicals got to me.
   
   You must realize the police are always wrong even if they are right. St. Louis Ram football players came out with hands in the air. Police don't have to be there and see that bull sh**. Let them higher Pinkerton or some other organization.
   
   Protestors will block traffic so let them. If you arrest them, they will only get away with it in court anyway because they have a right to protest and remember protestors are always RIGHT and everyone else is WRONG.
   
   If you ask me and I know you won't, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, President Obama and the Attorney General, Mr. Holder should be in court.
   
   Another thing is that if the culprit does not want to be arrested, the police should let he or she go. No matter what the police do, they will be thrown under the bus. You know it and I know it.
   
   Do you think the protestors give a damn if they are blocking the road and an ambulance, fire truck or police car need to get by that they will move? Forget it because it won't happen.
   
   Have a nice day.
   
   Capt. Kirk
   Retired Alien
   Needham Golf Club
   Needham, MA

   
   
   
   
5. Sandy Clark

   

   0 posts
   
   12/4/2014 2:12 PM

   Gee, I notice a trend here. When something bad happens it always seems to be when the offender ignored the instructions of the officer! Pretty sure I wouldn't confront a cop. I personally think in this case they should have told the guy to get his butt out of the area and made no attempt to arrest him. His infraction didn't match being taken down. At the point the officer tells you to do something though it seems pretty common sense that you comply. No matter the color, fighting a cop doesn't work out well!

   
   
   
   
6. Ronald Kirkman

   

   42 posts
   
   12/4/2014 6:12 PM

   Sandy,
   
   When a police officer tries to arrest someone, that someone could have a heart attack or get violently sick. This is the nature of the beast. One never knows what is going to happen and it is always the cops fault. Even if it isn't the cops fault they will demonstrate.
   
   Where was the demonstration last week when the three black people killed the white kid with a hammer in the St. Louis area for no reason at all except because he was WHITE!
   
   It should be interesting tonight when the tree lighting will be held on the Boston Common this evening. The demonstrators will be there also.
   
   Capt. Kirk
   Retired Alien
   Needham Golf Club
   Needham, MA

   
   
   
   
7. Steven Huffstutler

   

   11 posts
   
   12/5/2014 5:12 AM

   So you think its acceptable for the police to pick and choose who and what venue gets police protection based on whether they agree with their politics? That seems like a strange idea.
   
   
   Regards,
   
   Steve

   
   
   
   
8. Melvin Waldron

   

   43 posts
   
   12/9/2014 3:12 PM

   I think most events like that where stadiums hire those police to direct traffic, and do police functions. The police love it because it is overtime for them. And taxpayers who could give a rip about the team like it because it is not their tax dollars being spent. So I guess if the cops do not want to work the event, the team would go out and hire private security, unless the city has laws for certain aspects.
   
   Mel

   
   Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
   
   
9. Melvin Waldron

   

   43 posts
   
   12/9/2014 3:12 PM

   Ronald Kirkman said: Sandy,
   
   When a police officer tries to arrest someone, that someone could have a heart attack or get violently sick. This is the nature of the beast. One never knows what is going to happen and it is always the cops fault. Even if it isn't the cops fault they will demonstrate.
   
   Where was the demonstration last week when the three black people killed the white kid with a hammer in the St. Louis area for no reason at all except because he was WHITE! Actually as I read the story, the attackers and the person killed had a run in or exchange before the attack, don't believe it had anything to do with race, two attackers where black one hispanic. Not that it made it right.
   
   It should be interesting tonight when the tree lighting will be held on the Boston Common this evening. The demonstrators will be there also.
   
   Capt. Kirk
   Retired Alien
   Needham Golf Club
   Needham, MA

   
   Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
   
   
10. Andrew Cross

    

    5 posts
    
    12/10/2014 7:12 AM

    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Actually as I read the story, the attackers and the person killed had a run in or exchange before the attack, don't believe it had anything to do with race, two attackers where black one hispanic. Not that it made it right.

    
    
    This is where I have the issue. Why is it that "we," maybe it's just the media, assume any attack from white people on any other race (although Hispanic is white when it fits the race bait narrative a la George Zimmerman) is racially motivated? But if any race attacks a white person/people then "we" just say I don't think race had anything to do with it? Racism isn't only white hate toward any color other than white, it can be the other way around too!!!
    
    Just my 2 cents

    
    
    
    
11. Ronald Kirkman

    

    42 posts
    
    12/10/2014 12:12 PM

    Andrew;
    
    This racism comes from President Obama, Eric Holder, Reverend Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Reverend Wright. I really think they made racism worse than what it really was.
    
    When George Zimmerman killed the African-American, we have to understand his father left him and his mother thru him out of the house. The school in Miami he went to - no one wanted to deal with him because he was that bad. However, after he was killed his mother and father came out of the wood work hoping to gain financially because of his death.
    
    And, you are right, a white person killed by a black person is irrelevant as far as race goes. White on White, Black on Black, White on Black, Black on White - These killings are a travesty.
    
    The protestors don't like the decision in Ferguson and NY even though it was decided by a Grand Jury. In both cases the protestors want the cops to be found guilty of murder. And, they will settle for nothing less. I imagine the protests will go on for a long time including the vandalism and destruction of property. Also, they are taking away the rights of others that wish to shop in different stores and to get there without traffic incidents.
    
    It was announced today some Harvard minority students want an extension of their exams because they were out protesting and could not get ready for exams. Personally, I would not give the extension. OH ! - I have a grandson that is a senior in Harvard.
    
    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien

    
    
    
    
12. Joel Rhodes

    

    0 posts
    
    12/11/2014 8:12 AM

    As a white male I do not know what it is like to be a person of any other color. I do not try to imagine it. It seems though, that many in the public eye seem to be experts on what it is like to be a person of another color. I wish that I was as omnipotent and smart as the are. It seems to me that an affluent white male could have no real idea of what it would be like to be a poor balck male in an inner city environment. But that is none of my business.

    
    
    
    
13. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    12/11/2014 9:12 AM

    Joel Rhodes said: As a white male I do not know what it is like to be a person of any other color. I do not try to imagine it. It seems though, that many in the public eye seem to be experts on what it is like to be a person of another color. I wish that I was as omnipotent and smart as the are. It seems to me that an affluent white male could have no real idea of what it would be like to be a poor balck male in an inner city environment. But that is none of my business.

    
    
    I have to agree with you there, it is too easy for us to judge when a large majority of us are clueless on their issues. Of course those we are judging are probably a small minority of that group. Hopefully we don't get judged similarly.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
14. Sandy Clark

    

    0 posts
    
    12/11/2014 9:12 AM

    Drives me crazy with all these protestors pulling the raised hands don't shoot thing. Forensic science has completely proven that to be bogus. The lie doesn't stack up even with phony witness accounts. What is it in human nature that passion and a cause makes it so the facts don't matter! Just like this college rape accusation or the thing against the Duke students years ago or this idiot actress that accused a republican campus big shot of raping her when it sounds from book excerpts that she was more than a willing participant! Whatever happened to commons sense and reality? Maybe I am just too old and outdated with the modern world thinking!

    
    
    
    
15. Frank McQuiggan

    

    2 posts
    
    12/12/2014 6:12 AM

    My thoughts are the Media has so much to do with all the unrest in all the "race" problems we are seeing right now. They all seem to perpetuate the problem and not completely think about their actions or words before they "report the facts". Recently my local paper published an editorial cartoon were there were a group of American children of color, asking Santa to keep them safe from the police. What kind of message is this we are sending out to children? Do they have to ask a fictitious jolly old fat man ( can I say that without offending anyone) to protect them from the people who are out there day in and day out to protect them? I have never been one to consider myself politically correct and anyone who knows me will say I tell it how it is, whether you like it or not. I'm a not so jolly old fat man who says if you did something wrong then own up to it, don't try to put the blame on someone else as the case is here in these two cases. Both of these gentlemen were in the wrong, did not listen to the police officers when they were told to do something and then when something bad happened it was the police officer who is being made into the bad man. I say B*llSh*t! Own up to your mistakes do as your told and complain about it later. I used to say I don't mind someone bitching and complaining as long as the job gets done. But with all this Media hype going on where does it stop.
    And as far as all these bandwagon jumpers go, from the President all the way down they need to remember who they work for, there is no personal opinions that they should voice in public about how they feel uphold the law like you were elected to do and stop bring your personal feelings right or wrong into the situation. The federal government has no reason to be in Ferguson 4 days after something happened to push a "racial Issue". There is a racial problem here and its the fact that too many people are saying its White on Black, again B*llSh*t, its not only white on black its more black on white. If they don't get there way its the white man's fault, they don't trust the police to give them a fair shake how about they give the police a fair shake. Yes there are some bad police officers out there but few and far between, what about giving the rest of the cops a break and not lump them all together. Enough of my rant

    
    
    
    
16. Joel Rhodes

    

    0 posts
    
    12/12/2014 7:12 AM

    There are many inter-related issues in play here. It is not a simple color/race issue. It is also a socio-economic issue. If you take the hope away from a man you leave him with nothing. These problems are on a macro societal level but, revealed in these communities on a more micro level.
    
    In Mo. these predominatley white police force in a poor predominatley black city. Logic seems to be that that fact alone is something that could contribute to racially cahrged issues. I do not agree with the burning of a business to prove your a protester with a message. No, at that point , you turn into a criminal also, and should be dealt with accordingly.
    
    Does anyone seriously believe that a man should loose his life over selling a cigarette from an open pack? It just makes no sense. Our sosiety is better than thses incidents and many more like them.
    
    Too me the world would be a better place if everyone could just honestly say,"Many of my friends are .....HUMAN!" No adjective needed to differentiate between a color/race/religion/size/shape/nationality/religion.... and so on. Sadly though, I do not see that in the future of this world.

    
    
    
    
17. Steve Nelson

    

    0 posts
    
    12/12/2014 8:12 AM

    Don't care what color you are, if you choose to attack a police officer in his car and it gets to the point where there is a struggle for his weapon and it actually goes off in the car, you are not likely to survive that encounter. That will be the last poor decision of your life. IMO the protesters have chosen the wrong martyr and that is why so many of us cannot relate.

    
    
    
    
18. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    12/12/2014 8:12 AM

    Frank, Santa is not real?
    
    I can see a lot to your point, but the one thing that stood out was your comment about the President on down working for us. This is true, and there are many on both sides of this issue, so I can conclude that they are working for some but I don't know how they can work for everybody. Saw it this morning on my Congressman's Facebook page, on his spiel to go after the EPA and IRS, where he got some support from his constituents here in SW MO, (not me, the EPA is not evil, just misguided and not working at the local and regional levels like they should, and the IRS targeted groups from both sides, and I want them to, I want everyone paying their taxes they are suppose to). But he had people to the right of him complaining he was passing things in the new budget deal that funded the immigration and ACA issues and they did not like that. Hard to please everyone of your employers. I do value the politicians personal opinion, so we know where they are coming from, and hopefully they put it out before we vote for them. Also shouldn't they have the constitutional right to the first amendment as well? Not to say there wouldn't be repercussions from their opinion, and I can get that is why we don't hear much from most of them.
    
    As I said in another post, I don't think it is so black and white of an issue, each occurrence might be and you can look at them individually, Michael Brown, tragic, he caused the event it sounds like by his actions, could the police officer have maybe handled the final outcome as Brown ran differently, maybe if he hadn't shot at him, Brown doesn't turn back toward him? Maybe, but to be in that officers shoes, I can't fault him. The Garner case? The police might have been in the right to stop him from selling single cigarettes, but did it justify that force and outcome? I don't think so, and if one looks at the officer's history, it does make me wonder who we give badges and guns too, same in the Cleveland shooting as information came out about that officer. But how can we get the best and brightest for these important jobs (just like teachers) when we are not willing to pay a decent wage? And as I alluded to in an earlier post, how do we know how those communities feel? Getting questions just because the color of their skin? We don't know, as white males about that. Just my two cents.
    
    Joel, some good comments, well said.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
19. Frank McQuiggan

    

    2 posts
    
    12/12/2014 9:12 AM

    No Mel unless I'm Santa (and Joel will attest to the fact I'm not) He's not real.
    
    I didn't mean that the powers above us should not have their personal opinions at all, I just meant that they should not use them to make policy or move policy where they see fit. There are a lot of other places where there are people getting killed for no reason and you never see them stand up and make noise about it unless it's a racial agenda. Do we have racial inequality still today, yes we do. Did either one of these men deserve to die, No I would think not. So as far as how these people think about the police what can be done? Have these poor areas policed by people of their own color/circumstances? Well I don't see that lasting to long before they are complaining about the police again thinking they are picking on them again. If these people would OBEY the law then maybe we would not have these problems. They would only be dealing with the officers if they broke the law in the first place. In the Michael Brown case three autopsies pointed to what officer Wilson said the first shot was in the car during a struggle for his gun. Did this stop the protestors, NOPE, they wanted and still want something done to Wilson.
    What was it his Step father said after the announcement of the Grand Jury....." Burn this place down" Sounds like a law abiding citizen there who wants peace with the police. Yes I know he just lost his son and it was driven by grief, I also lost my son not like this but grief is grief I didn't want to burn anything down or place blame on someone else, it was my fault he died, no one else. We as a society are so quick to try to put the blame else where and not on where it really lies sometimes on ourselves because that would mean we are not perfect, so lets blame someone else its easiest thing to do.
    I not saying the police officer was right in the Eric Gardner case, could something else have been done, probably yes, Will this officer spend the rest of his life knowing that he was somewhat responsible for the death of another man, yes he will and he will have to deal with that himself.
    My point is why can't we all just get along and play nicely with each other? Have a problem, with someone lets go play golf, Winner wins end of problem. I know it ain't that easy but come on now do we need to kill each other and not trust each other based on skin color? Personally I don't trust anyone and am very jumpy when someone comes at me from behind, almost hit a few people (isn't that right Joel?)

    
    
    
    
20. Sandy Clark

    

    0 posts
    
    12/12/2014 9:12 AM

    Who has taken the hope away from anyone? Everything we do in our life is based on our own personal choice. If we choose to get in trouble with the law, not finish high school, knock up a few girls and do a ton of stupid life altering things, we have made our own life hopeless. Everyone can finish school, stay out of a gang, attend a community college, get a job and learn a work ethic and at least have an opportunity! I see it in both sides of my family! those that chose to get educated, how funny, all have excellent jobs and have a future! They did have parental support but so did the ones that didn't continue education and are making far less with little opportunity to improve. I was the first four year college graduate in my family and chose to get an MBA as well. My choice and I am doing quite well thank you as is my wife! Why do we always excuse people for making bad choices and blaming the environment? Is it harder out of a gang infested community, sure but too many examples of success are out there to void this argument. The race hucksters, the entitlements that started under Johnson the press and political parties telling everyone they are a victim seem to be the problem. Burn down your own minority local business, yea, that is also a smart move! Now we have Notre Dame and other elite universities having classes in white privilege! Grow up America and quit blaming others and making excuses for your own screwed up bad choices! Just maybe if we quit blaming everything like race etc for our failures, we might just have more time to actually succeed!

    
    
    
    
21. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    12/12/2014 10:12 AM

    Frank McQuiggan said: No Mel unless I'm Santa (and Joel will attest to the fact I'm not) He's not real.
    
    I didn't mean that the powers above us should not have their personal opinions at all, I just meant that they should not use them to make policy or move policy where they see fit. There are a lot of other places where there are people getting killed for no reason and you never see them stand up and make noise about it unless it's a racial agenda. Do we have racial inequality still today, yes we do. Did either one of these men deserve to die, No I would think not. So as far as how these people think about the police what can be done? Have these poor areas policed by people of their own color/circumstances? Well I don't see that lasting to long before they are complaining about the police again thinking they are picking on them again. If these people would OBEY the law then maybe we would not have these problems. They would only be dealing with the officers if they broke the law in the first place. In the Michael Brown case three autopsies pointed to what officer Wilson said the first shot was in the car during a struggle for his gun. Did this stop the protestors, NOPE, they wanted and still want something done to Wilson.
    What was it his Step father said after the announcement of the Grand Jury....." Burn this place down" Sounds like a law abiding citizen there who wants peace with the police. Yes I know he just lost his son and it was driven by grief, I also lost my son not like this but grief is grief I didn't want to burn anything down or place blame on someone else, it was my fault he died, no one else. We as a society are so quick to try to put the blame else where and not on where it really lies sometimes on ourselves because that would mean we are not perfect, so lets blame someone else its easiest thing to do.
    I not saying the police officer was right in the Eric Gardner case, could something else have been done, probably yes, Will this officer spend the rest of his life knowing that he was somewhat responsible for the death of another man, yes he will and he will have to deal with that himself.
    My point is why can't we all just get along and play nicely with each other? Have a problem, with someone lets go play golf, Winner wins end of problem. I know it ain't that easy but come on now do we need to kill each other and not trust each other based on skin color? Personally I don't trust anyone and am very jumpy when someone comes at me from behind, almost hit a few people (isn't that right Joel?)

    
    
    I can agree with those sentiments Frank. I do know when people act against their best interest it doesn't help their cause, but we should at least try to see why they act that way and try to fix things. The citizens of Ferguson need to become more engaged in the running of their city, change and fix the city the right way. Maybe businesses instead of shipping jobs overseas, set up factories nearby for these people to have jobs and self-worth. Wouldn't both the people and businesses both benefit? Of course the republicans with their thirst for profits and the democrats with their thirst for a clean environment and livable wages derail the possibility of this, (I know I just painted two groups with a broad brush and its more complicated then that), but if we all worked together for a better society, maybe we don't have to spend so much on law enforcement and social programs....(I guess I still believe in Santa too).
    
    I find it funny when I read a story here in Springfield about Ferguson, so many comments go to support the officer, even before we knew all the details, same with the Garner case, yet when there was a story about an officer here in SGF shooting a troubled man, the citizenry crucified the officer. The guy took off running when the officer approached him, the officer, told him to stop, then the officer thought he reached for his Taser and instead grabbed his gun. Luckily the man lived, got a settlement from the city and the officer resigned, before he got fired. I know some differences between the two cases, but it seems similar to the Garner case. I can't understand why the people here are so inconstant in their thinking, but I can guess.
    
    Sorry for the loss of your son.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
22. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    12/12/2014 10:12 AM

    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Who has taken the hope away from anyone? Everything we do in our life is based on our own personal choice. If we choose to get in trouble with the law, not finish high school, knock up a few girls and do a ton of stupid life altering things, we have made our own life hopeless. Everyone can finish school, stay out of a gang, attend a community college, get a job and learn a work ethic and at least have an opportunity! I see it in both sides of my family! those that chose to get educated, how funny, all have excellent jobs and have a future! They did have parental support but so did the ones that didn't continue education and are making far less with little opportunity to improve. I was the first four year college graduate in my family and chose to get an MBA as well. My choice and I am doing quite well thank you as is my wife! Why do we always excuse people for making bad choices and blaming the environment? Is it harder out of a gang infested community, sure but too many examples of success are out there to void this argument. The race hucksters, the entitlements that started under Johnson the press and political parties telling everyone they are a victim seem to be the problem. Burn down your own minority local business, yea, that is also a smart move! Now we have Notre Dame and other elite universities having classes in white privilege! Grow up America and quit blaming others and making excuses for your own screwed up bad choices! Just maybe if we quit blaming everything like race etc for our failures, we might just have more time to actually succeed!

    
    
    Sorry I missed this post while working on my last one Sandy, but you ask the question, who has taken the hope away from these people? I would say the businesses that shipped jobs offshore or who hire illegal aliens and the government who allowed it to happen, seems both sides are guilty of this. Not that I disagree with the entitlement comment, but in an effort to help people when manufacturing moves, which also helps the local businesses like grocery stores and the like, (I have always heard that welfare dollars will stimulate the local economy by more then a dollar per dollar spent).
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO