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1. Ronald Kirkman

   

   42 posts
   
   10/17/2012 2:10 PM

   Greetings;
   
   I thought someone would have something to say about last nights so called debate. (10/16/12)
   
   I really thought both these gentlemen were going to have a fight. I personally feel this was the most disgusting so called debate I have ever watched. Who the heck was telling the truth and I thought the questions were stupid and dumb. The moderators were worse than the the so called referees in the NFL in the first four games of the season.
   
   Why is it that no one has the real facts? I give Mr. Romney a ZERO and Mr. Obama a ZERO. The moderators I will give a MINUS ZERO. I turned off the debate when Mr. Obama said either drill or give up your permit. If you remember four years ago - when Sarah Palin was Governor of Alaska she said to Mobile - drill or give up your permit.
   
   Well, that's my opinion and I'd like to hear others opinion. It's a sad day when we have two Presidential Candidates acting like I don't know what.
   
   Yes, I did feel the earthquake last night.
   
   Capt. Kirk
   Retired Alien
   Needham Golf Club
   Needham, MA

   
   
   
   
2. Melvin Waldron

   

   43 posts
   
   10/17/2012 2:10 PM

   Ronald Kirkman said: Greetings;
   
   I thought someone would have something to say about last nights so called debate. (10/16/12)
   
   I turned off the debate when Mr. Obama said either drill or give up your permit. If you remember four years ago - when Sarah Palin was Governor of Alaska she said to Mobile - drill or give up your permit.
   
   Capt. Kirk
   Retired Alien
   Needham Golf Club
   Needham, MA

   
   
   See I told you all the president is more republican then you all want to admit....he agrees with Sarah Palin, OMG the world is ending in December.
   
   Mel

   
   Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
   
   
3. Ronald Kirkman

   

   42 posts
   
   10/17/2012 2:10 PM

   See I told you all the president is more republican then you all want to admit....he agrees with Sarah Palin, OMG the world is ending in December.
   
   Mel
   
   You are the man Mel - Very Good!!
   
   Capt. Kirk
   Retired Alien
   Needham Golf Club
   Needham, MA

   
   
   
   
4. Peter Bowman

   

   11 posts
   
   10/17/2012 11:10 PM

   So, I'm waiting for some liberal progressive to explain how Obama thinks gas was cheaper at $1.80/gallon four years ago was due to the fact we were in a recession then. By that thinking, gas should be about $1.30/gallon now, not $4.25/gal. What gives?

   
   
   
   
5. Steven Kurta

   

   2 posts
   
   10/18/2012 5:10 AM

   So, compare the two debates with the sound off and you'll see it stands at 1-1. What they're saying or not saying doesn't matter, not really. We can sit here all day and tear each guy down on what he's either hiding or embellishing. You either like the general direction of one or the other.
   Nobody is swaying anyone here - sorry Pete, I wish I could help you with a rhetorical answer to your rhetorical question better.
   
   But as far as who held court from strictly a body language, facial expression, forehead standpoint -- with the sound off, Obama took it away from him. He ate his lunch just from looking at it and hearing nothing. Romney looked flustered from the get-go. And I think when your undecided (how can you be at this point?) things like how you 'appear', matter. Romney appeared, to me, to be uncomfortable and slightly panicky once he saw he couldn't get away with what he got away with the first time around.
   And as lame as blaming Jim Lehrer was in the first debate for Obama's failure to communicate, it's equally as lame to do the same to Candy Crowley. That's like blaming the dog for eating your homework.

   
   
   
   
6. James Smith

   

   113 posts
   
   10/18/2012 9:10 AM

   The part that got my goat was when Obama was trying to get a point across about Romney's economical 5 point plan, when he said that Romney wants to get elected before he tells us his plan and who in the world would elect someone under these circumstances? It reminds me of the way Oboma's health care plan was put through when they said we would have to vote it in before we can see what is in it? HOW STUPID!
   
   Romney's worst part of the debate was when he was ask about getting womens pay scale even with mens. He never mentioned a plan or addressed the issue at all. Sure he bragged about hiring women and pushing for more womens jobs but never did he mention the pay scale. Instead we end up with BINDERS!

   
   
   
   
7. Spotts David A

   
   10/18/2012 2:10 PM

   The biggest part for me was when Romney mentioned that part of his tax plan to help the middle class was to cut capital gains. That would only help me if I sold my house(not happening). I also don't believe that he won't go after the only deductions I get like mortgage interest.

   
   
   
   
8. Steven Kurta

   

   2 posts
   
   10/18/2012 2:10 PM

   Romney couldn't answer the equal pay question because he knew Ryan voted against it...he was hosed. So he pivoted badly and will pay for it.

   
   
   
   
9. McCallum David K

   
   10/18/2012 2:10 PM

   Yea thats a presssing issue......equal pay for men and women.........lets keep debating Big Bird. Good point Pete I thought the same thing.......gas should be free now if based on the economy right........thats what Barry said Tuesday night. And btw the requests for unemployment just took a jump.........388,000.......an inrease over last month..........thought it was OVER!

   
   
   
   
10. Niemier Rick A

    
    10/18/2012 4:10 PM

    Peter Bowman, CGCS said: So, I'm waiting for some liberal progressive to explain how Obama thinks gas was cheaper at $1.80/gallon four years ago was due to the fact we were in a recession then. By that thinking, gas should be about $1.30/gallon now, not $4.25/gal. What gives?

    
    
    
    http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_news/2 ... -them?lite

    
    
    
    
11. Wahlin Scott B

    
    10/18/2012 5:10 PM

    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzEnKdBAb_o[/youtube">

    
    
    
    
12. Peter Bowman

    

    11 posts
    
    10/18/2012 9:10 PM

    Thank you Rick and Scott for the article and video, but I never argued that a politician could do anything to bring oil prices down. I do belive they can't.
    
    What I don't buy is Obabma's claim that the recession we faced is why gas was a $1.80 four years ago. If that was the case then it must be this roaring economy we're stuck in now that drove prices up to record levels recently? Obama should be proud of that now?

    
    
    
    
13. Steven Kurta

    

    2 posts
    
    10/19/2012 4:10 AM

    Seriously now. Turn computer on, search term: *obama's gas price claim* ...questions? sheesh.
    
    OHHH, I get it! The google isn't giving you the answer you want. Of course. stoopid internet.
    
    http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/1 ... urs/190708
    
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ele ... gas-claim/
    
    I can go on, but I know, I know -- stupid liberal biased media is good for nuthin, etc. etc.
    
    -- also, if you want a less liberal source, the wall street journal says the same thing about all of this. It might even have been their analysis initially.

    
    
    
    
14. Peter Bowman

    

    11 posts
    
    10/19/2012 7:10 AM

    Thanks Steve, I did read every last word from both blogs. Really, I'm trying to understand this.
    
    There's probably nothing either Obama or Romney can personally do, at least long term, about gas prices. That's a good thing, I believe.
    
    Apparently, then, gas prices were low in Jan '09 due to lower demand as a result of a looming recession. The recession caused people to drive less, so prices dropped.
    
    Does it make sense, then, that gas prices are at record levels now due to higher demand as a result of an economic turnaround? The economy is good now, so people are driving more, so prices have risen? Maybe so?

    
    
    
    
15. Niemier Rick A

    
    10/19/2012 9:10 AM

    Peter Bowman, CGCS said: Thank you Rick and Scott for the article and video, but I never argued that a politician could do anything to bring oil prices down. I do belive they can't.
    
    What I don't buy is Obabma's claim that the recession we faced is why gas was a $1.80 four years ago. If that was the case then it must be this roaring economy we're stuck in now that drove prices up to record levels recently? Obama should be proud of that now?

    
    
    Demand dropped during the recession, thus the price dropped. Now, there is more demand from countries like China and India and US producers, despite producing more gasoline, can now simply export the excess gasoline. Last year, the U.S. became a net exporter of gasoline and other refined products for the first time since 1949.
    
    If the Keystone pipeline is ever built it will give North American (Canadian) oil producers access to a deep water port in the Gulf of Mexico, where oil and gasoline can be exported, thus reducing supply in the US.

    
    
    
    
16. Steven Kurta

    

    2 posts
    
    10/19/2012 11:10 PM

    I don't know what's true or not, Pete. And I don't mean to sound like a know-it-all. I have as much a clue as anyone else who reads all the sources they can -- right and lefty. I make a habit of listening to Glenn Beck and Rush everyday of the week if I'm running the leaf blower or rough unit. It's good to know the extreme ends of the arguments.
    
    I'm not sure if you can know truth in politics. There's so much inside baseball stuff none of us ever see or know. I think this election, even more than the last, is about general direction. Not about who is going to grow the economy better, or handle Iran more skillfully, etc. I think the vote, as far as an Obama supporter is concerned, is about the beginning of fundamental change that sticks. And I think the fear of that change is what is driving the Repubs. It really is two totally divergent ways to look at the country's management.

    
    
    
    
17. Stephen Okula

    

    3 posts
    
    10/20/2012 3:10 AM

    David McCallum said: Yea thats a presssing issue......equal pay for men and women.........lets keep debating Big Bird. Good point Pete I thought the same thing.......gas should be free now if based on the economy right........thats what Barry said Tuesday night. And btw the requests for unemployment just took a jump.........388,000.......an inrease over last month..........thought it was OVER!

    
    
    There you go again.........with the freakin' dots everywhere...........it's gotta stop...........please stop..........

    
    
    
    
18. McCallum David K

    
    10/20/2012 6:10 AM

    I'm sorry Steve..........I will..........I promise.......really I will!!