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  1. Sandy Clark
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    4/4/2013 9:04 AM
    Of course Obamacare won't cost more! The tooth fairy will pay for the thousands of Obamacare navigators the government will hire at $48 per hour. Is this nightmare beginning to sink in with any of you that were such huge supporters? it gets worse every single day. Of course now the exchanges will be delayed until 2015 during which time many will be dropped from smaller health care plans. This government mess looks like it will cost hundreds of times more than forecast and will cover far less people. Had enough government yet?



  2. Melvin Waldron
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    4/4/2013 9:04 AM
    What I have had enough of is the politicians failing to work on fixing anything about it. The premise is good, there are issues that need to be fixed, even Repulican governors that were against it are seeing the benefit of the expanded medicaid. Yet congressinal republicans tried to get it repealed when they came into office in 2010. I know they were hoping for a different outcome in the White House in 2012, but that didn't happen, so deal with it and fix the issues.

    I believe some of the issues came from states that didn't want to move forward and prepare themselves for it.

    Just googleing Navigators for healthcare, one site said it will pay $20 to $48 per hour. Hey people wanted jobs, here's some jobs, hopefully the call centers aren't overseas.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  3. Sandy Clark
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    4/4/2013 11:04 AM
    Yes, they are jobs but thousands more government jobs? We the taxpayers are flipping the bill which means less money in our pockets and less for business, the real job creators.



  4. Melvin Waldron
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    4/4/2013 1:04 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Yes, they are jobs but thousands more government jobs? We the taxpayers are flipping the bill which means less money in our pockets and less for business, the real job creators.


    Sandy, businesses (abiet the large ones) have been sitting on billions if not trillions of dollars, how much more money do they need? I bet if jobs were created then there are more people with money and then a demand for more products. That is the overall picture, I know each industry or business sector is different, but wouldn't for the overall health of the economy does it really matter where the jobs come from? If the busniesses or job creators as some call them won't create jobs, then tax them and use the taxes to create government jobs, heck if that is so lucritive, why hasn't the private sector gone after the Navigator jobs? Just like many of the jobs of rebuilding Iraq and Afgainistan went to private contractors. Let's rebuild our infrasturcture, contractors and construction workers back to work, no extra government jobs there.

    Would I prefer the private sector create jobs? Sure, but we have either failed our businesses by not educating our people for the new jobs, or the private sector market has really changed from maybe a manufactoring base to more of a service base, much from improved technologies and other various issues and conditions.

    Why can't we be doing both? Austarity has not helped some Europe.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. Wahlin Scott B
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    4/4/2013 2:04 PM
    The insurance navigators will be compensated through grants from the insurance exchanges, not the federal government. In most circumstances the navigators will be dealing with people who never had health insurance before, people who would have no idea where to start and would be very susceptible to being victims of fraud. People who limit themselves to Fox News and Rightwing Radio Talk Shows will have a skewed perception of reality, obliviously.



  6. Sandy Clark
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    4/4/2013 2:04 PM
    Scott, you know as well as I do the Insurance Exchanges will be funded by government through fees or taxes. This money won't magically appear out of thin air other than being printed! If the Insurance Companies pay these so called Navigators, it will be from higher costs we pay. This thing is going to suck the country dry. A shortage of 45,000 GP doctors is being forecast by 2020 and now we are talking amnesty which will add trillions to all of these programs. Who do you guys think will be asked to pay for all of this? A shortage of doctors, much higher costs than anticipated, exchanges that are way behind schedule, it all sounds like a disaster to me. By the way, this comes from my observations, not Fox news. I think you have to have pretty thick blinders on to think this program is just fine and dandy! Mel, the purpose of business is to make money and spend resources wisely. When business determines a good investment, they will act but only if it is in the interest of business success. No business functions as a social program and never should. Foolish use of money means they will go broke!



  7. Clay Putnam
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    4/5/2013 8:04 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: The insurance navigators will be compensated through grants from the insurance exchanges, not the federal government.


    In other words, the insurance navigators will be paid from the taxes collected by the federal government for insurance exchanges.



  8. Steven Huffstutler
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    4/5/2013 11:04 AM
    You know, I find it very strange that the Supremes found this law Constitutional. I felt pretty strongly that it was clearly not, but I also think that we have a huge problem in this country when the only residents with universal health care are illegal immigrants. It's truly unfortunate that the Republicans who hate this law almost as much as they hate the President couldn't manage to come up with something that was both Constitutional and gave the people what they clearly voted for when they re elected the President.that is...access to affordable health care.

    Regards,

    Steve



  9. Sandy Clark
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    4/5/2013 12:04 PM
    Steve, I agree completely with your comments. Why we didn't have n independent, non-political committee of doctors put this thing together is beyond me. If you put 20 of us grass growers in a room to plan how to do this, the first thing we would have come up with is getting doctors fully involved. I think politicians would have been included after used car salesmen and the press when requesting input on what a health care program should be!



  10. Melvin Waldron
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    4/5/2013 2:04 PM
    Sandy, your right about that, also Jr. makes some good points, the problems are the lobbying groups. I don''t want to say all lobbying is bad, I know my congressman is uneducated on a lot of things, but I don't think the legislators listen to what the lobbyist say and try to take what works best for all sides, its whoever opens the checkbook the widest in my opinion.

    Who are the groups most affected by health care and the rising costs? Insurance companies, doctors, hospitals, patents, pharma, health devices manufactures, and probably a couple of others. Get them all in the room and get something hammered out for the betterment of all.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  11. Trevor Monreal
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    4/7/2013 5:04 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: The insurance navigators will be compensated through grants from the insurance exchanges, not the federal government.

    And the rest of Obamacare is going to be paid with Obama Money.
    Going to come out of Obama's stash.
    So...no worries.



  12. Wahlin Scott B
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    4/8/2013 12:04 PM
    Doctors and hospitals are currently providing billions of dollars of care for which they are not compensated except through tax deductions.



  13. Jon Gansen
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    4/10/2013 3:04 PM
    [quote">Who are the groups most affected by health care and the rising costs? Insurance companies, doctors, hospitals, patents, pharma, health devices manufactures, and probably a couple of others. Get them all in the room and get something hammered out for the betterment of all.


    In other words keep govt. out of it.



  14. Melvin Waldron
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    4/11/2013 9:04 AM
    Jon Gansen said: [quote">Who are the groups most affected by health care and the rising costs? Insurance companies, doctors, hospitals, patents, pharma, health devices manufactures, and probably a couple of others. Get them all in the room and get something hammered out for the betterment of all.


    In other words keep govt. out of it.

    Jon,

    It would be nice if that worked, but maybe government was needed to get them to work together since something that works for one group might be a detriment to another? Just guessing.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

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