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  1. Ronald Kirkman
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    42 posts
    5/1/2014 3:05 PM
    Let's see -

    Obamacare - If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor - if you like your plan you can keep your plan. Most families will save $2500 per year in medical insurance. Some BIG lies with this subject.

    IRS - Lois Lerner pleading the 5th. Hello, this is the IRS - please make sure you vote for Democrats before I can answer your questions. We have hundreds if not thousands of people who work for the IRS and don't pay taxes. So, we take you, the taxpayers money and give out bonuses to our employees and ask them to pay their taxes with it or do whatever, maybe a vacation or new car - it's up to you. Goodness, all the LIES before and still they get away with it.

    Behghazi - Now the truth comes out, but still the White House denies everything. More Lies.

    Keystone Pipe Line - Forget it, it ain't going to happen. You would think our neighbor to the north of us would be more creative and go around the U.S.

    Let's see - Watergate - oh! Breaking in there a stupid move and the President paid the price. You know this present President will not pay the price.

    Well, we all know it is the GOPs FAULT!! Forgot, I'm sure everyone will have some fun with this post!

    Captain Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, Ma



  2. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    5/1/2014 6:05 PM
    I hate to pile on but...

    Just heard two news stories today. One about term limits. One about holding all people (those in the majority and minorities) equally responsible for their words and actions. Guess who's against both. G'head, guess.



  3. Corey Eastwood
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    5/2/2014 12:05 PM
    The quote was"up to $2500.00..." Don't believe everything Hannady says.

    Corey Eastwood CGCS, Stockton Golf & CC, Retired

  4. Trevor Monreal
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    5 posts
    5/2/2014 12:05 PM
    Corey Eastwood, CGCS said: The quote was"up to $2500.00..." Don't believe everything Hannady says.

    Not believing everything HANNITY says is one thing...
    But not believing ANYTHING this administration says is another.
    The press should be doing a much better job keeping Washington accountable but it's not.
    Remember Helen Thomas...Gob bless her for pushing and pressing the Bush administration.
    Now, any reporters that ask tough questions are mocked for following "Fox" talking points/conspiracies.



  5. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    5/2/2014 2:05 PM
    Actually in our case cost are slightly down. Same insurance through our employer, we haven't had a premium rise in about a year and a half, and so far no talk of one yet, but if we do see one it will be in July, so maybe the end of the month.

    My savings have come from what the ACA now covers with no cost, although I guess those savings won't come every year, I'm not planning on getting a camera shoved up my butt every year.

    I know everyone is different yet blanket statements are easy and popular.

    As far as the IRS, while 1% of their staff not paying taxes is somewhat crazy, I heard the other day that the average percentage of non payers throughout the country is like 6%, so 1% doesn't sound so bad, well except that it's the IRS, you would think they would want to police themselves a little better.

    Benghazi - While what happened was tragic and hopefully lessons were learned, and I wish it wouldn't have happened, where was all the outrage when consulates got attacked under the Bush administration, even going back to the Clinton administration, I guess he did lob some cruise missiles. Under President Ragan he did bomb Libya. I guess it just bug the crap out of me that some administrations are held more accountable then others, and in my opinion it's to score political points, not improve the safety.

    Keystone Pipeline, well Canada doesn't want it running through its country either, why don't they put a pipe line to Vancouver, would be a lot closer to the buyers of that oil? Because they don't want to take the chance with their environment.

    The only thing that is the GOP's fault is they have sat on their butts and complained but have offered nothing to fix the problem, have not offered up better candidates, have shown they are not interested in working for the American people. If they would have done that, I think they could have beat President Obama in 2012.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  6. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    5/2/2014 3:05 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Actually in our case cost are slightly down. Same insurance through our employer, we haven't had a premium rise in about a year and a half, and so far no talk of one yet, but if we do see one it will be in July, so maybe the end of the month. My premiums up. My deductible up.

    My savings have come from what the ACA now covers with no cost, although I guess those savings won't come every year, I'm not planning on getting a camera shoved up my butt every year.

    I know everyone is different yet blanket statements are easy and popular.

    As far as the IRS, while 1% of their staff not paying taxes is somewhat crazy, I heard the other day that the average percentage of non payers throughout the country is like 6%, so 1% doesn't sound so bad, well except that it's the IRS, you would think they would want to police themselves a little better. You're right. They should be held to a higher standard. The problem for this administration is that they (the dems) have defended the IRS to the hilt.

    Benghazi - While what happened was tragic and hopefully lessons were learned, and I wish it wouldn't have happened, where was all the outrage when consulates got attacked under the Bush administration, even going back to the Clinton administration, I guess he did lob some cruise missiles. Under President Ragan he did bomb Libya. I guess it just bug the crap out of me that some administrations are held more accountable then others, and in my opinion it's to score political points, not improve the safety. The problem is this administration has deflected and lied thru this entire issue. Within hours of the attack Clinton made a statement saying the attack was a result of a homemade movie. And to this very second they still suggest that they did nothing wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leX0mDzyLgI

    Keystone Pipeline, well Canada doesn't want it running through its country either, why don't they put a pipe line to Vancouver, would be a lot closer to the buyers of that oil? Because they don't want to take the chance with their environment.

    The only thing that is the GOP's fault is they have sat on their butts and complained but have offered nothing to fix the problem, have not offered up better candidates, have shown they are not interested in working for the American people. If they would have done that, I think they could have beat President Obama in 2012. Wrong. The republicans have offered their plans, which Obama and his minions have never taken as considerations. As for candidates Romney is best the republicans have offered. A good candidate if substance is your choice. A bad candidate if style was your choice.

    Mel



  7. Melvin Waldron
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    5/5/2014 10:05 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Actually in our case cost are slightly down. Same insurance through our employer, we haven't had a premium rise in about a year and a half, and so far no talk of one yet, but if we do see one it will be in July, so maybe the end of the month. My premiums up. My deductible up. Sorry to hear that, does your insurance plan cover more now than it did? Had your premiums been going up on a regular basis before the ACA? Our had, I don't know if the ACA is yet to blame, if anything premiums should be going down since we do not have to cover those with insurance, maybe the insurance companies are to blame as they try to take advantage of the misinformation.

    My savings have come from what the ACA now covers with no cost, although I guess those savings won't come every year, I'm not planning on getting a camera shoved up my butt every year.

    I know everyone is different yet blanket statements are easy and popular.

    As far as the IRS, while 1% of their staff not paying taxes is somewhat crazy, I heard the other day that the average percentage of non payers throughout the country is like 6%, so 1% doesn't sound so bad, well except that it's the IRS, you would think they would want to police themselves a little better. You're right. They should be held to a higher standard. The problem for this administration is that they (the dems) have defended the IRS to the hilt. A couple of questions, what was the percentage of IRS employees paying their taxes before this administration took over? If it was less than 1% then there is a problem, when you want to complain about looking at the tax status of groups, and their was a rush of groups after the supreme court ruling, and people complaining about delays, it has been shown, that the IRS targeted both conservitive and liberal groups, maybe there were more conservitive groups asking for tax exempt status? Anyone have facts and figures? Honestly I don't care what side the groups are on, they should be investegated for tax exempt status. Or just fix the tax codes and the campaign finance laws and take money out of politics.

    Benghazi - While what happened was tragic and hopefully lessons were learned, and I wish it wouldn't have happened, where was all the outrage when consulates got attacked under the Bush administration, even going back to the Clinton administration, I guess he did lob some cruise missiles. Under President Ragan he did bomb Libya. I guess it just bug the crap out of me that some administrations are held more accountable then others, and in my opinion it's to score political points, not improve the safety. The problem is this administration has deflected and lied thru this entire issue. Within hours of the attack Clinton made a statement saying the attack was a result of a homemade movie. And to this very second they still suggest that they did nothing wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leX0mDzyLgIWhile I can agree that this was tragic and the administration did a poor job getting the information out, where was all the uproar of other embassy attacks under the previous presidents? I don't think it's fair to hold one administration to an entirely different standard than another. But you will probably claim, that's just because I'm defending this administration, to a degree I am, what they have produced after the fact in hearings I am good with, unless the lessons are not learned.

    Keystone Pipeline, well Canada doesn't want it running through its country either, why don't they put a pipe line to Vancouver, would be a lot closer to the buyers of that oil? Because they don't want to take the chance with their environment.What? Am I right on this one? They certainly could cut out the middle man, the USA.

    The only thing that is the GOP's fault is they have sat on their butts and complained but have offered nothing to fix the problem, have not offered up better candidates, have shown they are not interested in working for the American people. If they would have done that, I think they could have beat President Obama in 2012. Wrong. The republicans have offered their plans, which Obama and his minions have never taken as considerations. As for candidates Romney is best the republicans have offered. A good candidate if substance is your choice. A bad candidate if style was your choice.What the republicans have offered have been no compramise, it is their plans, the president and his administration have offered to work with them as I have seen it, yet the republicans will not, and if we really wanted a republican plan (which the ACA actually is) why did we vote a democrate into the presidency? Romney was an ok candidate, he had is own ACA in Mass. as Gov., you know what my problem with him was and probably a lot of independents? He moved so far to the right to win the primary and then tried to go back to the center for the general, doesn't make me feel confident on what would happen if he had become president, would he stay to the right or would he have stayed in the center? I'm guessing he would have moved to the right because of the House Republicans, some which is ok, but some of those way right people are bat crap crazy, (just as some on the far left are). I would have voted for Gov. Huntsman in a second. Of course the president wasn't the only candidate issue the republicans had, they had the senate seat in Missouri won until Akien opened his mouth. And he wasn't the only one.

    Mel


    Just my opinions, sorry for the spelling, didn't have time to copy and paste.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  8. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    5/5/2014 4:05 PM
    As I re-read my post, I did see I made a couple of mistakes, I mentioned about premiums should be going down because we shouldn't have to pay for those with out insurance because so many more people in theory should have some sort of insurance.

    I guess my deal is this, and part of it is because I've supported a lot of things the president has done, but I just get tired of this president it seems is held to a different standard then past presidents.

    Where was the outrage during the Bush administration when it was found that there were no weapons of mass destruction and we went in to Iraq under false pretenses?

    Where was the outrage when the Medicaid Part D had a big launch failure and then when we found out there was a big donut hole hurting seniors with their prescription coverage's?

    Where was the outrage as the economy melted under the Bush presidency during the last year of his term and he introduced TARP? Yet when the current president extended it he was taken to task?

    Where was the outrage when embassies were attacked under the Bush administration?

    If you were screaming your head off during these issues during the Bush years, then my apologies, but don't just start now because you don't agree with policies, (which some people are misinforming others about). Which definitely during the first term were more centrist in my opinion, I have to agree, there might be some current issues the president might be moving to the left on, but if he was such a liberal, he would have just gone to single payer for all.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  9. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    5/5/2014 4:05 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: As I re-read my post, I did see I made a couple of mistakes, I mentioned about premiums should be going down because we shouldn't have to pay for those with out insurance because so many more people in theory should have some sort of insurance.

    I guess my deal is this, and part of it is because I've supported a lot of things the president has done, but I just get tired of this president it seems is held to a different standard then past presidents.

    Where was the outrage during the Bush administration when it was found that there were no weapons of mass destruction and we went in to Iraq under false pretenses?

    Where was the outrage when the Medicaid Part D had a big launch failure and then when we found out there was a big donut hole hurting seniors with their prescription coverage's?

    Where was the outrage as the economy melted under the Bush presidency during the last year of his term and he introduced TARP? Yet when the current president extended it he was taken to task?

    Where was the outrage when embassies were attacked under the Bush administration?

    If you were screaming your head off during these issues during the Bush years, then my apologies, but don't just start now because you don't agree with policies, (which some people are misinforming others about). Which definitely during the first term were more centrist in my opinion, I have to agree, there might be some current issues the president might be moving to the left on, but if he was such a liberal, he would have just gone to single payer for all.

    Mel


    Mel,

    I'm going to put this as politely as possible. All those things you asked, happened. A lot. Apparently you just didn't notice.



  10. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    5/6/2014 8:05 AM
    Clay,

    I am going to have to disagree with you, the outrage was not the same and Fox news was the worst at giving President Bush a pass and blasting President Obama.

    What we get from the traditional news media is blasted as "Lame Stream Media" The Republicans grabbed the line that was first uttered when President Obama won in 2008. "We will make this president a one term president" And didn't really do anything to help the country as a whole. They would not compromise, they would offer plans and wouldn't compromise on that.

    Just go check out Jon Stewarts take on how the current president gets hammered on Benghazi and how the Bush administration was given a pass on all of its war issues, from lying about "Weapons of Mass Destruction" to not providing the military with the proper equipment and Rumsfeld saying "We sometimes have to go to war with the Army we have, not the Army we would like to have" (that might not be the direct quote) when asked about the armor situation on the humvees.

    I would post the link to Stewart but at work we haven't upgraded our browsers.

    That is my opinion.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  11. Ronald Kirkman
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    5/6/2014 1:05 PM
    Mel;

    President Bush and most of the house and senate thought that Iraq had WMD.

    At least President Bush eliminated Saddam and his son like President Obama eliminated Bin Laden. Now, why do you have to go back all the time and pick on President Bush. That is history. We are now in the present. Make no mistake about it, this President lies and lies and and most of the country knows it. He is the worst this country has seen. The Democrats like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi also lie.

    Speaking of the present, you know that over 200 girls were kidnapped by by the Taliban or bad Muslims. They even said they will be sold into slavery or forced marriage. The Useless Nations won't do a thing about it. The rest of the Muslim Nations will do nothing. Wonder if Obama will do any thing? I doubt it.

    Watch your blood pressure.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  12. Melvin Waldron
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    5/6/2014 2:05 PM
    Ronald Kirkman said: Mel;

    President Bush and most of the house and senate thought that Iraq had WMD. yes, because all the lies they were told.

    At least President Bush eliminated Saddam and his son like President Obama eliminated Bin Laden. That's true, but did we really have a reason to eliminate Saddam? Yes he wasn't a very nice guy, but that should have been up to the Iraq people in my opinion.Now, why do you have to go back all the time and pick on President Bush. That is history. We are now in the present. Make no mistake about it, this President lies and lies and and most of the country knows it.No about 48% thinks he does, if most of the country believed that President Obama lies we would be complaining about President Romney right now and our full blow war with the Russians He is the worst this country has seen. The Democrats like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi also lie.Reid and Pelosi aren't some of my favorite people either, they've been there a little too long, your opinion of President Obama is that, an opinion, I say Bush is, of course that is from recent memory, I'm sure Hoover wasn't very good, I'm not fond of Jackson, forcing all the native americans out to Oklahoma, and I'm sure there are a few more.

    Speaking of the present, you know that over 200 girls were kidnapped by by the Taliban or bad Muslims. They even said they will be sold into slavery or forced marriage. The Useless Nations won't do a thing about it. The rest of the Muslim Nations will do nothing. Wonder if Obama will do any thing? I doubt it.

    Watch your blood pressure.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA


    Capt.

    Already heard on the news today that the Obama administration is sending help to Nigeria, why it took 3 weeks is a little beyond me. I understand Nigeria's government isn't really that powerful, this warlord has more power than the government, and the Nigerian government wasn't asking for help. Maybe we were waiting for the UN (I agree they do seem to be pretty useless when it comes to that part of the world) to do something first?

    Sad really, I would suggest a drone strike on that smiling b@#$% in the photo, (can I say that on the forum?).

    Those countries really need to step up themselves first and foremost, and we can give the backing to them, but when they let narrow minded people run things I guess that is what happens. Thank god we were never like that in this country........

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  13. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    5/6/2014 2:05 PM
    "President Bush and most of the house and senate thought that Iraq had WMD. yes, because all the lies they were told."

    There is one minor problem, Mel. Iraq was accused of WMDs by Clinton several years before Bush took office. You're letting your bias get the best of you.



  14. Christopher Thuer
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    5/6/2014 6:05 PM
    Let's not forget both Clintons in the 1990's were talking up the WMD in Iraq, as well as Maddy Albright, Ted Kennedy, etc., etc. I recall watching the news and them showing the UN inspectors saying they could see trucks leaving the storage facilities as they approached. What was in the trucks and where did they go? There were people talking then the trucks went to Syria. Where did the Syrians who recently used chem weapons get them?


    Our family insurance premium for additional family members added my wife's personal company provided plan has increased nearly 100% in the last 5 years from just over $500 per month to just under $1,000 per month. Same coverage.

    Chris Thuer, CGCS, Bear Slide Golf Club, Cicero, IN

  15. Melvin Waldron
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    5/7/2014 12:05 PM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: "President Bush and most of the house and senate thought that Iraq had WMD. yes, because all the lies they were told."

    There is one minor problem, Mel. Iraq was accused of WMDs by Clinton several years before Bush took office. You're letting your bias get the best of you.


    The one big difference is Clinton didn't go and start a war with Iraq.

    So no other White House administration gets investigated but this one? That is why my bias is showing, everyone makes excuses for Bush, well the Dems believed him too, it happened during the Clinton era as well, so it's happening under the Obama administration and now we have to investigate?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  16. Melvin Waldron
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    5/7/2014 12:05 PM
    Christopher Thuer, CGCS said: Let's not forget both Clintons in the 1990's were talking up the WMD in Iraq, as well as Maddy Albright, Ted Kennedy, etc., etc. I recall watching the news and them showing the UN inspectors saying they could see trucks leaving the storage facilities as they approached. What was in the trucks and where did they go? There were people talking then the trucks went to Syria. Where did the Syrians who recently used chem weapons get them? Then why didn't we go to war with Syria if that is where the weapons went? Maybe the mess that is there now wouldn't be going on? Does that give President Bush the pass for going to war with Iraq? There were some Democrats that stood against it, Senator Bob Graham from Florida was one, we should have elected him President, just like we should have given Gov. Huntsman a chance, both I believe moderates.


    Our family insurance premium for additional family members added my wife's personal company provided plan has increased nearly 100% in the last 5 years from just over $500 per month to just under $1,000 per month. Same coverage.
    Sorry to hear about that kind of increase, we hear about it all the time, even before the ACA became law rates were climbing, or people were getting dropped when they got sick. Of course it is kind of hard to compare rates when we all discuss them, as every situation is different, for example did the employer cut back on their portion of the premium? Others talk about changes in coverage, (I know not the issue with yours), and it is just hard to compare apples to oranges. It sucks, but it's better than bankruptcy which if we didn't have insurance could have been possible.

    I can't remember what we paid when I worked for the University 12 years ago, I think our portion was about $400 a month, when I went on Cobra it was $900 a month for the 3 of us.

    When I started with the city 10-1/2 years ago they paid and still pay 100% of my insurance, the city puts in about $505 per month into the self funded account for myself, I think we paid around $400 per month for the rest of the family, that is now around $495 per month, after a period of time it went up 5% per year. No increase the last couple of years, there was a slight change in deductibles, they now do not deny coverage on any pre-existing condition (originally they would not cover a pre-existing condition for a year, they were allowed as a non-profit self funded insurance plan), they cover our kids up to 26, they follow the ACA rules. If we count what the city pays and we pay, we have been paying almost $1000 a month for close to forever it seems. But as many know, us dropping credible coverage during those years was not an option due to pre-existing conditions.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  17. Ronald Kirkman
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    5/7/2014 1:05 PM
    The truth about WMDs!

    The President (Bush) - The Senate - The House knew nothing about the WMDs. Only the CIA knew about them, because they started the rumor and most of the politicians fell right in line as the CIA knew they would.

    Why? You ask - because the CIA wanted Iran to THINK Saddam had these weapons and that way, Iran would not attack Iraq. Only problem was that the CIA did not think President Bush would lead the charge into Iraq! What do we do now if Iran does attack Iraq?

    Anyone out there have any better ideas than what I have stated?

    Capt.Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  18. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    5/8/2014 6:05 AM
    Ronald Kirkman said: The truth about WMDs!

    The President (Bush) - The Senate - The House knew nothing about the WMDs. Only the CIA knew about them, because they started the rumor and most of the politicians fell right in line as the CIA knew they would.

    Why? You ask - because the CIA wanted Iran to THINK Saddam had these weapons and that way, Iran would not attack Iraq. Only problem was that the CIA did not think President Bush would lead the charge into Iraq! What do we do now if Iran does attack Iraq?

    Anyone out there have any better ideas than what I have stated?

    Capt.Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA


    Is this the same CIA that knew the claim of Iraq purchasing Yellowcake was false? And when they said so the Bush administration outed an agent?

    Heck we gave Saddam his chemical weapons way back in the Iran/Iraq war, did we not? So i guess anything is possible.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

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