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1. Steven Kurta

   

   2 posts
   
   10/4/2015 5:10 AM

   Cracks forming, cover your eyes.

   
   
   
   
2. Peter Bowman

   

   11 posts
   
   10/4/2015 9:10 AM

   Steven Kurta said: Cracks forming, cover your eyes.

   
   
   Steve,
   
   You should move to California. There's a Super's job open in Stockton. In California, it's ten days 'til you get your gun. Abortion? No waiting!
   
   Parental permission for an abortion? Not here. For a gun? What state will sell a gun to a minor, parental permission or not? Only five states require parental notification and consent, 12 require notification only, and 21 require consent only.
   
   Close down all but one gun shop in every state? Please. There were 1720 abortion providers in the United Sates in 2011, according to the Guttmacher Institute, whoever they are. They also provided parent numbers above.
   
   Make him walk through a gauntlet blah, blah, blah..? It's a free country, gun control advocates could easily enough boycott out front of any gun store.
   
   Maybe you should move to San Francisco. The lone remaining gun shop will soon close. New law states that the sale must be videotaped. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/high-bridge ... gislation/
   
   I'm pretty sure no right-to-lifer has proposed a law making videotaping abortions mandatory. Gonna' be way more abortions now in San Francisco than there will be gun sales. That should make you feel safer.
   
   To your argument, the only true comparison might be that a hunter could gut his kill alive and sell some body parts for a profit, I suppose. Come to think of it, maybe not. Animal rights activists have probably made sure that's illegal.

   
   
   
   
3. Sean Hoolehan

   

   0 posts
   
   10/4/2015 11:10 AM

   Steve,
   A realistic suggestion rather than a inflamed Pro Abortion comment would be a way to find common cause and perhaps real ideas/measures to protect schools and children. I would be fine with your requirements because they are a inconvenience required to avoid a senseless death. The same freedoms that allow us to own guns allow us to be crazy. Perhaps if mental health was taken seriously we could avoid some of these outcomes but that's a big "if".The mass murderer here in Oregon was labeled a outcast, i can imagine there was pain and neglect in his life. Its too bad that people reach this level of despair that they take other peoples lives to in-effect end their own. I am not sure we will ever fully understand this or totally eliminate it, but a more open and accepting society is a step in the right direction.
   
   The root of the Pro-Life/Pro-Abortion debate is the recognition of life. Most Pro-Life people consider a unborn baby a person, most Pro-Abortion people consider a unborn baby a fetus. This is a pretty big difference and one that makes this debate very divisive. Many of the leaders of the most vocal Pro-Life groups are "20 somethings". I hope/expect that someday in the future people in this country will remember this period as a ghastly mistake, as we do the practice of eugenics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_ ... ted_States Perhaps as society itself starts to actually recognize and know people who have survived birth at 20 weeks or a botched abortion it will change its opinion. Just as many of us have as we recognized that Homosexuality is part of a normal society, and not a stigma or deviate behavior. That we (society) benefit by their full and normal participation in our lives. This is a huge shift from just 50 years ago. I hope we could accept all people, born or unborn, gay or straight, any religion, any race as our brothers and sisters. This would take much more than inflamed divisive rhetoric.

   
   
   
   
4. Clay Putnam

   

   33 posts
   
   10/4/2015 12:10 PM

   Everyone loves a good stat:
   
   Gun shops in the US = 130,000 +/-
   Annual gun related deaths in the US = 30,000 +/-
   
   Abortion clinics in the US = 1,800 +/-
   Annual abortion related deaths in the US = 1,000,000 +/-

   
   
   
   
5. Keith Lamb

   

   3 posts
   
   10/4/2015 1:10 PM

   "Annual Abortion Related Deaths," that's priceless. It's a medical procedure last time I checked.

   
   
   
   
6. Steven Huffstutler

   

   11 posts
   
   10/4/2015 2:10 PM

   Make either illegal and people will just get them illegaly .

   
   
   
   
7. Clay Putnam

   

   33 posts
   
   10/4/2015 6:10 PM

   Keith Lamb said: "Annual Abortion Related Deaths," that's priceless. It's a medical procedure last time I checked.

   
   
   Living baby (fetus for those priceless folk) + abortion = death of baby = abortion related death. Call it what you will. A rose by any other name...

   
   
   
   
8. Peter Bowman

   

   11 posts
   
   10/4/2015 8:10 PM

   It's a medical procedure Clay, like removing a tumor.

   
   
   
   
9. Steven Scott

   

   0 posts
   
   10/5/2015 7:10 AM

   I think we are going about this all wrong, we should be neutering the stupid rather than removing fetus/babies. In our industry we are all about killing things at the root. Our planet has a population problem anyway, if you want to solve all of our global warming concerns and resource concerns just start controlling the population..... None of that sounds any more asinine than the wholesale murder of living, breathing unborn, giving valuable resources to people who choose not to earn them, or abolishing the capitalist system which has allowed us to be one of the most innovative countries on Earth in the past 200 years. I'm pretty socially liberal, but I'm fiscally conservative and I'm tired of busting my ass to give someone else a free ride in life.

   
   
   
   
10. Steven Kurta

    

    2 posts
    
    10/7/2015 8:10 PM

    NRA BINGO!

    
    
    
    
11. Clay Putnam

    

    33 posts
    
    10/8/2015 6:10 AM

    Random rabble-rouser

    
    
    
    
12. Steven Huffstutler

    

    11 posts
    
    10/8/2015 10:10 AM

    A gun free America in 5 easy steps
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnoFKskvSq4

    
    
    
    
13. Trevor Monreal

    

    5 posts
    
    10/8/2015 11:10 AM

    Steven Kurta said: Cracks forming, cover your eyes.
    [img">http://forums.gcsaa.org/download/file.php?id=1165&t=1[/img">

    
    So, if this nut up in Oregon had jumped through these hoops...those people killed would still be alive??
    By the way...I'm not sure these steps curb abortion all that much either.
    
    I find it interesting that some want to step on our liberties if it helps "to save just one life"
    UNLESS...it comes at the hands of an Islamic extremist/sympathizer, the homeless, illegals, etc.
    THEN we have to do everything we can to preserve their liberty & rights
    Even if it means letting a group destroy a city...like Baltimore.
    We can't profile, we have to set up sanctuary cities, etc. etc.

    
    
    
    
14. Steven Kurta

    

    2 posts
    
    10/12/2015 7:10 AM

    Steven Kurta said:

    Trevor Monreal said:
    I find it interesting that some want to step on our liberties if it helps "to save just one life"
    

    
    
    you nailed it, Trevor!
    
    
    Though we'd come to blows about when life actually begins (and who's choice that is to make) and when you get to tell my daughter what she could or couldn't do with her body. So, then we're suddenly arguing religion, origins, and the meaning of everything and that's a conversation nobody wants to have.
    
    HI, CLAY.

    
    
    
    
15. Clay Putnam

    

    33 posts
    
    10/12/2015 7:10 AM

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16. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    10/12/2015 9:10 AM

    Trevor Monreal said:

    Steven Kurta said: Cracks forming, cover your eyes.
    [img">http://forums.gcsaa.org/download/file.php?id=1165&t=1[/img">

    
    So, if this nut up in Oregon had jumped through these hoops...those people killed would still be alive??
    By the way...I'm not sure these steps curb abortion all that much either.
    
    I find it interesting that some want to step on our liberties if it helps "to save just one life"
    UNLESS...it comes at the hands of an Islamic extremist/sympathizer, the homeless, illegals, etc.
    THEN we have to do everything we can to preserve their liberty & rights
    Even if it means letting a group destroy a city...like Baltimore.
    We can't profile, we have to set up sanctuary cities, etc. etc.

    
    
    I think when we take emotion out of things and look at facts, each of the mass shootings were different, I don't think existing laws would have changed any of them. The only difference might have been in Colorado movie shootings with smaller allowed magazines. In the cases of these mass shootings mental health is what needs to be worked on.
    
    Where we need to look at existing laws is to control the amount of shootings that occur daily throughout the country (and where more people are dying). That is where some debate on current laws and changes could occur. And should be debated. But to leave things as they are is not beneficial to the country as a whole.
    
    I would expand on my thoughts that shows what we might look at changing to control some things yet still allow everyone their right to protect themselves. (I would say 2nd amendment rights but I don't think we agree on what that really means), but I have to go check on some irrigation..
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
17. Trevor Monreal

    

    5 posts
    
    10/12/2015 11:10 AM

    Mel,
    I agree with you that existing laws would have done little to change the outcomes of these tragedies. New laws and regulations would do little as well.
    The problem is we have a free society where leadership (all sides; locally to federally) has done all it can to repress morality/individual responsibility from the people...the outcome is what we have.
    It is now normal to expect the government to step in and legislate this repression.
    This is impossible in a free society.
    This, together with a few generations that have been told to do whatever 'feels' right showing no limits in order to protect their fragile self esteem, has lead to a society that is constantly looking around for someone/something to blame...
    Choices have consequences

    
    
    
    
18. Sandy Clark

    

    0 posts
    
    10/22/2015 10:10 AM

    All of these horrific mass murders happen pretty much in gun free zones. If in each case, if a solid citizen allowed to carry a concealed weapon had been around, maybe only a couple of terribly unfortunate victims would have occurred. The cities with the strict gun control laws are the ones with the highest murder rates. Criminals and crazies are going to find a way to kill you rather it be by knife, bomb, car or some other means. We stop the good guys with silly laws yet the ones that don't care about the laws run around freely. Areas of the country where concealed weapons are ok, tend to have lower murder rates. May not be the politically correct approach but the facts point out the truth. I don't know if the abortion argument will ever be solved since our brains are all hard wired differently. I do know that if we quit making abortions nearly a free service and each individual had to pay for a medical procedure, over half or more would stop tomorrow. Being raised Catholic, I would rather see women more into birth control than abortions. I still have problems understanding how birth control is wrong. This is the year 2015 so I think most people know how babies happen! Not that hard to prevent it an certainly not that expensive when you weigh the cost of an out of wedlock birth and the economic difficulties that mother and child will face! We have too many priorities completely backwards. We need some nationwide common sense!

    
    
    
    
19. Steven Huffstutler

    

    11 posts
    
    10/22/2015 12:10 PM

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/10/19/i-w ... on-campus/

    
    
    
    
20. Trevor Monreal

    

    5 posts
    
    10/22/2015 12:10 PM

    3%
    
    I saw this brilliant point made on a different topic so I thought I'd try it here to show how smart I am...

    
    
    
    
21. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    10/22/2015 12:10 PM

    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: All of these horrific mass murders happen pretty much in gun free zones. If in each case, if a solid citizen How do you define a solid citizen? I know some people I would prefer not to be armed. allowed to carry a concealed weapon had been around, maybe only a couple of terribly unfortunate victims would have occurred.Or more people die in a cross fire, police don't know who are the good guys or the bad guys with guns rolling up onto a shooting scene The cities with the strict gun control laws are the ones with the highest murder rates.More people equal higher rates, probably should look at per capita, of course we all know that Chicago's problem isn't just their strict laws but also the lax laws in the surrounding states and areas Criminals I think all of the mass shooters were not criminals up until the time they committed their crimes, some might have even been thought of as solid citizens? and crazies are going to find a way to kill you rather it be by knife, bomb, car or some other means. We stop the good guys with silly laws yet the ones that don't care about the laws run around freely. Areas of the country where concealed weapons are ok, tend to have lower murder rates. May not be the politically correct approach but the facts point out the truth. I don't know if the abortion argument will ever be solved since our brains are all hard wired differently.The same holds true for guns I do know that if we quit making abortions nearly a free service Where is it a free service? I know our tax dollars do not pay for it, unless hospitals are doing it for free and each individual had to pay for a medical procedure, over half or more would stop tomorrow. Being raised Catholic, I would rather see women more into birth control but isn't that against church teachings as well? Although with the new Pope...than abortions. I still have problems understanding how birth control is wrong. This is the year 2015 so I think most people know how babies happen! Not that hard to prevent it an certainly not that expensive when you weigh the cost of an out of wedlock birth and the economic difficulties that mother and child will face! We have too many priorities completely backwards. We need some nationwide common sense!

    
    
    While I will agree most current gun laws would not change most of the mass shootings, there still could be some common sense ideas to make people safer, while protecting the second amendment rights (depending on if we can agree with what that amendment states) or as I see it, I agree on everyone's right to protect their family and person. I'm all for allowing CCW, if people go through quality background checks and more importantly training, we don't send police officers out on the streets with out proper training, we don't send our military out without proper training. In large areas such as theaters, on college campuses, in stadiums, people being armed creates in my opinion a bigger more dangerous situation, I would suggest, like at most major sporting events, the facility is staffed with law enforcement officers or trained security.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
22. Steven Kurta

    

    2 posts
    
    10/23/2015 4:10 AM

    For now, I'd settle for better background checks and longer waiting periods. I think that's something reasonable people would agree on. And that's where this will start - with reasonable people.
    The Anti-gun and 2nd amendment zealots will be left on the sidelines while the cooler heads work out the details.
    
    The Constitution is a living document. It was meant to change as the need arose.
    We don't see many people up in arms over the 13th amendment because most of us understand that we can't own people or claim them as property.
    
    I expect less upheaval when gun laws are re-written and enforced to better reflect the times.

    
    
    
    
23. Steven Huffstutler

    

    11 posts
    
    10/24/2015 6:10 AM

    Are you going to write a clause into that background check law that compels criminals and crazy people to comply with it? Because I'm sure they will.

    
    
    
    
24. Steven Kurta

    

    2 posts
    
    10/25/2015 6:10 AM

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Are you going to write a clause into that background check law that compels criminals and crazy people to comply with it? Because I'm sure they will.

    
    
    You do this the same way you get people to wear seat belts. It may take 90 years, but eventually enough of the bullheadedness dies off and you're left with what makes sense.

    
    
    
    
25. Peter Bowman

    

    11 posts
    
    10/25/2015 9:10 AM

    Steven Kurta said:

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Are you going to write a clause into that background check law that compels criminals and crazy people to comply with it? Because I'm sure they will.

    
    
    You do this the same way you get people to wear seat belts. It may take 90 years, but eventually enough of the bullheadedness dies off and you're left with what makes sense.

    
    
    And there's still crazy people who get ejected from cars during accidents. They usually die. Probably way more every year from that than die from their crazy-cousins who shoot up theaters or schools in gun-free zones.
    
    We should background check all drivers and passengers at least a month or so before they're ever allowed in cars, and make them walk until they're cleared by smart people like us.

    
    
    
    
26. Steven Kurta

    

    2 posts
    
    10/25/2015 2:10 PM

    Discussion! Like old-timey days.
    dawww.

    
    
    
    
27. Steven Kurta

    

    2 posts
    
    10/25/2015 5:10 PM

    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    
    We should background check all drivers and passengers at least a month or so before they're ever allowed in cars, and make them walk until they're cleared by smart people like us.

    
    
    
    Okay, we'll do it your way..

    
    
    
    
28. Stephen Okula

    

    3 posts
    
    10/27/2015 4:10 PM

    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: Everyone loves a good stat:
    
    Gun shops in the US = 130,000 +/-
    Annual gun related deaths in the US = 30,000 +/-
    
    Abortion clinics in the US = 1,800 +/-
    Annual abortion related deaths in the US = 1,000,000 +/-

    
    
    I believe the gun deaths figures, but any chance of seeing a source for those abortion statistics? (I am anti-abortion AND anti-gun AND anti-capital punishment ; I believe in the sanctity of life all around.)
    
    It's ironic that the many of the people who blame mass shootings on the lack of mental heatlh care are the very same people who are dead set against any kind of socialized medicine.

    
    
    
    
29. Clay Putnam

    

    33 posts
    
    10/28/2015 4:10 AM

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:

    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: Everyone loves a good stat:
    
    Gun shops in the US = 130,000 +/-
    Annual gun related deaths in the US = 30,000 +/-
    
    Abortion clinics in the US = 1,800 +/-
    Annual abortion related deaths in the US = 1,000,000 +/-

    
    
    I believe the gun deaths figures, but any chance of seeing a source for those abortion statistics? (I am anti-abortion AND anti-gun AND anti-capital punishment ; I believe in the sanctity of life all around.)
    
    It's ironic that the many of the people who blame mass shootings on the lack of mental heatlh care are the very same people who are dead set against any kind of socialized medicine.

    
    
    Geez Steve, you're a bit late to the party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#Number_of_abortions_in_United_States