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6.5 million 112 year olds!

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  1. Sandy Clark
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    3/10/2015 8:03 AM
    Look what Obamcare has already accomplished for the USA. We now have 6.5 million people living to be 112 years old and collecting Social Security! If this one program is this far out of control, you have to believe that every government program is just as filled with corruption and mismanagement! How many billions and billions must the waste add up to. Wouldn't you think some suspicion would have developed with so many being so old still showing up as active living Americans? You know, a few billion here and a few billion there actually adds up to a little bit of money! This is not a party thing, it is typical of how inefficient our entire government really turns out to be. Just keep each department growing! Get that almighty tax payer dollar. Never consider reviewing any program because heaven forbid, someones department might just be cut! Well hell, cut every darn one of them by 30% and if actually managed, would probably never miss the money!



  2. Frank McQuiggan
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    3/10/2015 10:03 AM
    Read the article but it doesn't say how many are receiving benefits under social security. Quite a few I would imagine. But the SSA doesn't want to divert people to fix the problem since it would have to take them away from working to get benefits paid out? What kind of double talk is this?



  3. Sandy Clark
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    3/10/2015 11:03 AM
    Silly thing is and this is historical, I bet we don't have 2 people in the U.S. at that age. That is getting up with the oldest people on the planet and there is never even a hand full of those. Where are the alarm bells! Don't you think even 10 people of that age would be beyond unlikely! I bet every government program is ripe with this sort of waste! May cost us trillions, who knows! Certainly our government doesn't!



  4. James Schmid
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    3/10/2015 2:03 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Silly thing is and this is historical, I bet we don't have 2 people in the U.S. at that age. That is getting up with the oldest people on the planet and there is never even a hand full of those. Where are the alarm bells! Don't you think even 10 people of that age would be beyond unlikely! I bet every government program is ripe with this sort of waste! May cost us trillions, who knows! Certainly our government doesn't!



    Sandy -

    After hearing this will you continue to vote republican?



  5. Stephen Okula
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    3/11/2015 1:03 AM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Look what Obamcare has already accomplished for the USA. We now have 6.5 million people living to be 112 years old and collecting Social Security!


    I don't get it, what does Obamacare have to do with the social security system? Were these 6.5 million people receiving nothing until Obamacare stepped in?



  6. Melvin Waldron
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    3/11/2015 11:03 AM
    Is there a link to a story about the numbers your throwing out? I'm not understanding what you're talking about.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  7. William Murphy
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    3/11/2015 11:03 AM
    Google "6.5 million 112 year olds" and take your pick on the source. Plenty to choose from.



  8. Stephen Okula
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    3/11/2015 12:03 PM
    According to what I read, there are 6.5 million people born before 1901 on the social security rolls who have not been noted as deceased. It doesn't say that they are receiving checks, and nowhere does it say that this is caused by Obama. I can't believe what preposterous lengths some people will go through to blame Obama for anything and everything. The President isn't perfect, none of them ever were, but there's a Commandment against "Bearing false witness."



  9. Frank McQuiggan
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    3/11/2015 2:03 PM
    True no were does it state that they are drawing social security but think why would anyone be using those numbers if they weren't be using them for their own gain. Even if 10% were drawing benefits that would total out to somewhere around $650,000,000 per month, that brings it to $7,800,000,000 per year and that is only getting $1000 a month. most people would be drawing more than that. I would think that someone should want to shut that big waste of tax payer money down. The Social Security administration needs to fix this problem not push it onto the back burner.



  10. Stephen Okula
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    3/11/2015 2:03 PM
    I got this copied below from Fox News, just to end the source argument before it starts. 99% of those 6.5 million files are people who are deceased, and the numbers are inactive, nobody is using them. They just haven't been officially closed, which is unacceptable, but not costing the system untold millions. Some people (70,000 of them, not 6.5 million) have been using deceased SSN's to report wages and earnings, not to claim benefits, though they probably have it in mind to do so one day. There are 266 cases of people claiming benfits fraudulently. That's too many, but it's a far cry from the hysterical 6.5 million. In a gargantuan system like SS, there are always going to be some cases of fraud, no matter who is in the White House.

    You can't pin this on Obama, that's my point.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03 ... ld-and-up/

    "In September 2013, a New York resident, believed to be the world's oldest living man, died at age 112," the OIG said in a report released last week. "According to the Gerontology Research Group, as of October 2013, only 35 known living individuals worldwide had reached age 112."

    "We matched the 6.5 million SSNs against SSA's [Earnings Suspense File] ESF and E-Verify systems and identified thousands of instances of potential identity theft or other fraud," they said.

    Nearly 70,000 of those SSNs were used to report $3.1 billion in wages between 2006 and 2011.

    "One SSN appeared on 613 different suspended wage reports, and 194 additional SSNs appeared on at least 50 suspended wage reports that SSA received during this 6-year period," the OIG said. "Individuals can commit various types of fraud against the government by reporting earnings under deceased individuals' SSNs."

    As of September 2014, the SSA was still issuing benefit payments to 266 people who were using a SSN that said they were born before June 16, 1901.



  11. Keith Pegg
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    3/11/2015 3:03 PM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: I got this copied below from Fox News, just to end the source argument before it starts. 99% of those 6.5 million files are people who are deceased, and the numbers are inactive, nobody is using them. They just haven't been officially closed, which is unacceptable, but not costing the system untold millions. Some people (70,000 of them, not 6.5 million) have been using deceased SSN's to report wages and earnings, not to claim benefits, though they probably have it in mind to do so one day. There are 266 cases of people claiming benfits fraudulently. That's too many, but it's a far cry from the hysterical 6.5 million. In a gargantuan system like SS, there are always going to be some cases of fraud, no matter who is in the White House.

    You can't pin this on Obama, that's my point.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03 ... ld-and-up/

    "In September 2013, a New York resident, believed to be the world's oldest living man, died at age 112," the OIG said in a report released last week. "According to the Gerontology Research Group, as of October 2013, only 35 known living individuals worldwide had reached age 112."

    "We matched the 6.5 million SSNs against SSA's [Earnings Suspense File] ESF and E-Verify systems and identified thousands of instances of potential identity theft or other fraud," they said.

    Nearly 70,000 of those SSNs were used to report $3.1 billion in wages between 2006 and 2011.

    "One SSN appeared on 613 different suspended wage reports, and 194 additional SSNs appeared on at least 50 suspended wage reports that SSA received during this 6-year period," the OIG said. "Individuals can commit various types of fraud against the government by reporting earnings under deceased individuals' SSNs."

    As of September 2014, the SSA was still issuing benefit payments to 266 people who were using a SSN that said they were born before June 16, 1901.

    Well said:



  12. Clay Putnam
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    3/11/2015 5:03 PM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: According to what I read, there are 6.5 million people born before 1901 on the social security rolls who have not been noted as deceased. It doesn't say that they are receiving checks, and nowhere does it say that this is caused by Obama. I can't believe what preposterous lengths some people will go through to blame Obama for anything and everything. The President isn't perfect, none of them ever were, but there's a Commandment against "Bearing false witness."


    So correct. Remember? It's Bush's fault.



  13. Stephen Okula
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    3/11/2015 6:03 PM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: According to what I read, there are 6.5 million people born before 1901 on the social security rolls who have not been noted as deceased. It doesn't say that they are receiving checks, and nowhere does it say that this is caused by Obama. I can't believe what preposterous lengths some people will go through to blame Obama for anything and everything. The President isn't perfect, none of them ever were, but there's a Commandment against "Bearing false witness."


    So correct. Remember? It's Bush's fault.


    I never said that.



  14. James Schmid
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    3/12/2015 7:03 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: According to what I read, there are 6.5 million people born before 1901 on the social security rolls who have not been noted as deceased. It doesn't say that they are receiving checks, and nowhere does it say that this is caused by Obama. I can't believe what preposterous lengths some people will go through to blame Obama for anything and everything. The President isn't perfect, none of them ever were, but there's a Commandment against "Bearing false witness."


    So correct. Remember? It's Bush's fault.


    Well it stands to reason that most of these 112 year olds died somewhere in the range of 70- 80 years. Assuming that is correct, 30 + years have passed where they should have been taken off the list. it would stand to reason that multiple administrations from each party were overseeing the failure to remove these folks from the rolls in a timely manner.



  15. Sandy Clark
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    3/12/2015 9:03 AM
    Of course they are deceased! We only have a handful on the entire planet at any one time that live to that extreme age. My point about Obamacare and every government program is that if you can mismanage a program this badly, what does that tell you about the ability of our government to run any program. For starters, Obamacare already exceeds its original reported costs several times over. If you show 6.5 million people and maybe 2 actually live to that age, what does that tell you? Private sector will never show an error to that magnitude because it is responsible for turning a profit! My entire point is the total inefficiency of government programs and the zero monitoring of any of them. Raise taxes, like that will help! How about if the clowns in government were to be fired for even the slightest mismanagement rather than always trying to increase what is coming in. Give them a bonus when things are run properly! Cut all government programs by 30 to 50% tomorrow and make everyone manage as if it was their own dime! We have a bullet train being developed in California. It is a multi-billion dollar boondoggle that should never be built. California voters were lied to about the cost yet good old senile Moonbeam wants it as his legacy project. It will be challenged every step of the way by environmentalist and landowner. It won't be a bullet train and will never make a dime, rather it will lose billions annually. These are the types of things I am referring to. No government accountability and equally as bad, the lies told to develop these programs. Has nothing to do with which way I vote, government programs are killing this country yet we allow them to continue and willingly give them more taxes to create more nightmares! When will we finally wake up?



  16. Clay Putnam
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    3/12/2015 9:03 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: According to what I read, there are 6.5 million people born before 1901 on the social security rolls who have not been noted as deceased. It doesn't say that they are receiving checks, and nowhere does it say that this is caused by Obama. I can't believe what preposterous lengths some people will go through to blame Obama for anything and everything. The President isn't perfect, none of them ever were, but there's a Commandment against "Bearing false witness."


    So correct. Remember? It's Bush's fault.


    I never said that.


    I should have used one of these smilies at the end of my post - :D :) ;) :lol: :P 8-)



  17. Stephen Okula
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    3/12/2015 11:03 AM
    Sandy,

    Some firendly advice, switch to decaf.



  18. Trevor Monreal
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    3/12/2015 2:03 PM
    James Schmid said: ...it would stand to reason that multiple administrations from each party were overseeing the failure to remove these folks from the rolls in a timely manner.


    You see...this is where the Hillary Clinton's 'private server' could come into use.
    Throw all the information/history of those 6.5 million people on her server and there's a better chance all that information will get wiped off the record completely.



  19. Curtis Nickerson
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    3/13/2015 7:03 AM
    I didn't see anything about this on Jon Stewart's show so it cant be true or real...



  20. Sandy Clark
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    3/13/2015 8:03 AM
    Stephen, I don't even drink coffee! Hey, someone needs to liven this site up! It has become way too quiet and hasn't wound anyone up for a long time! I still will challenge anyone to find a government program that is run effectively and not bloated. Maybe someone can find a local city program but I honestly feel nobody can find an effectively run and properly managed Federal or maybe even State program and we are paying for all of them! Could we have this kind of waste and mismanagement on our golf courses? I am pretty sure if it went on at my operation that I would be invited to retire tomorrow!



  21. Melvin Waldron
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    3/13/2015 10:03 AM
    Curtis Nickerson said: I didn't see anything about this on Jon Stewart's show so it cant be true or real...


    Damn straight but I did see last night what that fat rat bastard from NJ did because of campaign contributions from Exxon. Glad I d live there anymore. Menendez might not be too clean either but it looks like none of them are.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  22. Ronald Conard
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    3/13/2015 12:03 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Of course they are deceased! We only have a handful on the entire planet at any one time that live to that extreme age. My point about Obamacare and every government program is that if you can mismanage a program this badly, what does that tell you about the ability of our government to run any program. For starters, Obamacare already exceeds its original reported costs several times over. If you show 6.5 million people and maybe 2 actually live to that age, what does that tell you? Private sector will never show an error to that magnitude because it is responsible for turning a profit! My entire point is the total inefficiency of government programs and the zero monitoring of any of them. Raise taxes, like that will help! How about if the clowns in government were to be fired for even the slightest mismanagement rather than always trying to increase what is coming in. Give them a bonus when things are run properly! Cut all government programs by 30 to 50% tomorrow and make everyone manage as if it was their own dime! We have a bullet train being developed in California. It is a multi-billion dollar boondoggle that should never be built. California voters were lied to about the cost yet good old senile Moonbeam wants it as his legacy project. It will be challenged every step of the way by environmentalist and landowner. It won't be a bullet train and will never make a dime, rather it will lose billions annually. These are the types of things I am referring to. No government accountability and equally as bad, the lies told to develop these programs. Has nothing to do with which way I vote, government programs are killing this country yet we allow them to continue and willingly give them more taxes to create more nightmares! When will we finally wake up?


    Sandy, how's the ebola outbreak going in Cali?

    http://forums.gcsaa.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=4584&hilit=ebola



  23. Trevor Monreal
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    3/13/2015 12:03 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: ...I still will challenge anyone to find a government program that is run effectively and not bloated. Maybe someone can find a local city program...!

    I found one:

    [img">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30950781/KC_BUS.jpg[/img">

    A $97,000 a year city job that tells bus drivers when/where they can go to the bathroom.
    The very position helps relieve bloating and eliminate waste
    Heck...sometimes I wish we had a Bathroom Break Coordinator on staff here
    I don't think my guys can ever drive past one without making a pit-stop



  24. Larry Allan
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    3/13/2015 1:03 PM
    Ronald Conard, CGCS said:
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Of course they are deceased! We only have a handful on the entire planet at any one time that live to that extreme age. My point about Obamacare and every government program is that if you can mismanage a program this badly, what does that tell you about the ability of our government to run any program. For starters, Obamacare already exceeds its original reported costs several times over. If you show 6.5 million people and maybe 2 actually live to that age, what does that tell you? Private sector will never show an error to that magnitude because it is responsible for turning a profit! My entire point is the total inefficiency of government programs and the zero monitoring of any of them. Raise taxes, like that will help! How about if the clowns in government were to be fired for even the slightest mismanagement rather than always trying to increase what is coming in. Give them a bonus when things are run properly! Cut all government programs by 30 to 50% tomorrow and make everyone manage as if it was their own dime! We have a bullet train being developed in California. It is a multi-billion dollar boondoggle that should never be built. California voters were lied to about the cost yet good old senile Moonbeam wants it as his legacy project. It will be challenged every step of the way by environmentalist and landowner. It won't be a bullet train and will never make a dime, rather it will lose billions annually. These are the types of things I am referring to. No government accountability and equally as bad, the lies told to develop these programs. Has nothing to do with which way I vote, government programs are killing this country yet we allow them to continue and willingly give them more taxes to create more nightmares! When will we finally wake up?


    Sandy, how's the ebola outbreak going in Cali?

    http://forums.gcsaa.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=4584&hilit=ebola

    Ron, you are always one step ahead!!!!
    I was just about to sus that one out



  25. Sandy Clark
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    3/13/2015 3:03 PM
    We have had thousands die but they are all poor people and we don't admit to having poor people in CA. Hey, don't give up on Ebola just yet! That scare served as a wake up call to get our medical facilities in gear and prepared. We thought we had eradicated measles and yet some foreign visitor to Disneyland got that going again. Just because it didn't blow up this time doesn't mean the potential isn't still out there! We are seeing polio again and that had been gone for decades. Modern medicine is great but if it got in the wrong place with heavy population density, even here it could still happen and spread rapidly. We learned but it doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Read the book The Hot Zone!



  26. James Schmid
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    3/13/2015 7:03 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: We thought we had eradicated measles and yet some foreign visitor to Disneyland got that going again. Just because it didn't blow up this time doesn't mean the potential isn't still out there! We are seeing polio again and that had been gone for decades.



    I heard it got going again because people don't vaccinate their kids.



  27. Ronald Conard
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    3/16/2015 11:03 AM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: We have had thousands die but they are all poor people and we don't admit to having poor people in CA. Hey, don't give up on Ebola just yet! That scare served as a wake up call to get our medical facilities in gear and prepared. We thought we had eradicated measles and yet some foreign visitor to Disneyland got that going again. Just because it didn't blow up this time doesn't mean the potential isn't still out there! We are seeing polio again and that had been gone for decades. Modern medicine is great but if it got in the wrong place with heavy population density, even here it could still happen and spread rapidly. We learned but it doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Read the book The Hot Zone!


    Meh.... I read The Hot Zone back in the day. I prefer not to borrow trouble. I've been trying for years to break my mom of that habit and she's just now realizing she spent most of her life in stress mode when she didn't need to do so. Now, pushing 80 she's in a much better frame of mind. What has worrying ever solved anyway? Take action when needed but to fret about every possible catastrophe that might come our way....no thanks.



  28. Sandy Clark
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    3/16/2015 12:03 PM
    Ebola aside, does anyone think this several million 112 year old people getting benefits is ok? All it would take is count up the couple that exist and then trace down the people using stolen ID's and stop the payments today! Probably arrest a few while we are at it. If illegally in this country and I don't care where they came from, deport a bunch of them back to where they came from. My entire thought on this is another key example of government corrupt waste! Isn't it about time we the people demand our elected clowns to do their jobs along with all the entrenched government agency lifers that benefit from growing their empires? You would not need to continue looking for tax increases if you spend the time and money to clean up government waste. Even on this site, it is almost like oh well, that is just government! May be, but it is our money! If any of us that plan to retire before our jobs put us in the grave first, want our Social Security maybe we should be a little more concerned about gross mismanagement.



  29. Keith Lamb
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    3/16/2015 12:03 PM
    Geez Sandy......try meditation or something.



  30. Clay Putnam
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    3/16/2015 1:03 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Ebola aside, does anyone think this several million 112 year old people getting benefits is ok? All it would take is count up the couple that exist and then trace down the people using stolen ID's and stop the payments today! Probably arrest a few while we are at it. If illegally in this country and I don't care where they came from, deport a bunch of them back to where they came from. My entire thought on this is another key example of government corrupt waste! Isn't it about time we the people demand our elected clowns to do their jobs along with all the entrenched government agency lifers that benefit from growing their empires? You would not need to continue looking for tax increases if you spend the time and money to clean up government waste. Even on this site, it is almost like oh well, that is just government! May be, but it is our money! If any of us that plan to retire before our jobs put us in the grave first, want our Social Security maybe we should be a little more concerned about gross mismanagement.


    Sandy,

    I don't see how this could be construed as corruption. Are the politicians leaving the 6.5 million on the SS payroll to garner the family votes of the deceased? Probably not likely. Additionally, there aren't 6.5 million 112 year olds receiving benefits. Not even close. According to a AP report, approximately 13 people of that age are receiving SS benefits. The report also states that in 2013 approximately 67,000 SS numbers were used to collect fraudulent returns. That's 1%. Yes, it would be nice to have the SS Admin keep better records of the deceased. Corruption? Hardly. This record keeping snafu goes back to 1940. How should we divvy up this blame?

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/flawed-social-security-data-say-65m-in-us-reach-age-112/ar-AA9OEBy



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