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1. Wallace Jeffrey V

   
   3/25/2012 10:03 PM

   "That is what wiki claims has happened thru leaked e-mail.. Kinda crazy aint it, how I get the the fifth grade mentality out of you( how do you know) but everything you throw out is gospel. My Point being is just like Jeff said we know only what they want us to know. Bin Laden may be alive and hopefully being water boarded for intelligence. Nah POTUS wouldn't allow that its torture."
   
   I believe that you have missed MY point. Your statement was absurd because as you have just written, "what wiki claims", is what you base your assumptions on. My point was that you have no idea what actually happened, as you couldn't possibly know. You're simply repeating what you have "read", unless you have first hand knowledge.
   
   You've just jumped from "we all know" to "we know only what they want us to know". Which is it? Or rather, which is it that "you" believe? And if you are going to use my name as a reference, get it right. I wrote that the only people that know are the people on the "need to know" list. That's a short list, and I'm sure you're not on it. There's a reason for that.
   
   Your inference regarding President Obama is blatantly transparent, and contradictory. Is he soft on terrorists, or is he water boarding bin Laden at this minute? Whether you voted for him or not, he is your President.
   
   George W. Bush was my President. Now Barack Obama is my President. That's the way it works, at least the last time I checked. Whether I like it or not, I accept it. I always have a chance to attempt a change every four years.

   
   
   
   
2. Jon Gansen

   

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   3/26/2012 7:03 AM

   Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said: "That is what wiki claims has happened thru leaked e-mail.. Kinda crazy aint it, how I get the the fifth grade mentality out of you( how do you know) but everything you throw out is gospel. My Point being is just like Jeff said we know only what they want us to know. Bin Laden may be alive and hopefully being water boarded for intelligence. Nah POTUS wouldn't allow that its torture."
   
   I believe that you have missed MY point. Your statement was absurd because as you have just written, "what wiki claims", is what you base your assumptions on. My point was that you have no idea what actually happened, as you couldn't possibly know. You're simply repeating what you have "read", unless you have first hand knowledge.
   
   You've just jumped from "we all know" to "we know only what they want us to know". Which is it? Or rather, which is it that "you" believe? And if you are going to use my name as a reference, get it right. I wrote that the only people that know are the people on the "need to know" list. That's a short list, and I'm sure you're not on it. There's a reason for that.
   
   Your inference regarding President Obama is blatantly transparent, and contradictory. Is he soft on terrorists, or is he water boarding bin Laden at this minute? Whether you voted for him or not, he is your President.
   
   George W. Bush was my President. Now Barack Obama is my President. That's the way it works, at least the last time I checked. Whether I like it or not, I accept it. I always have a chance to attempt a change every four years.

   
   
   Geez Jeff look up the word claim (assumption without proof) there was no inference to that being true. And as far as my assumption of POTUS you may be right (notice the word may!) but judging by past political statements by him and the left, water boarding is not on their to do list. Yes he is my President and I have every right to speak my opinion on his policy or lack there of. Quoting you! What the heck was I thinking? Evidently should have left the old dog sleeping.

   
   
   
   
3. McCallum David K

   
   3/26/2012 12:03 PM

   Hate to burst everyone's bubble, he is not dead, he did not get tossed into the Indian Ocean...........how do I know.................he's been our houseboy since last fall............I cried so hard when Sally Struthers showed his picture and told us for a mere .11 cents a day we could send him to Harvard and provide clean water for all of western Pakistan..........my wife mailed a Southwest airline ticket immediately & the rest is history. He loves watching Jerry Springer in the afternoon when I get home from work over a cold beer(not kosher though).

   
   
   
   
4. Jon Gansen

   

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   3/26/2012 2:03 PM

   David McCallum said: Hate to burst everyone's bubble, he is not dead, he did not get tossed into the Indian Ocean...........how do I know.................he's been our houseboy since last fall............I cried so hard when Sally Struthers showed his picture and told us for a mere .11 cents a day we could send him to Harvard and provide clean water for all of western Pakistan..........my wife mailed a Southwest airline ticket immediately & the rest is history. He loves watching Jerry Springer in the afternoon when I get home from work over a cold beer(not kosher though).

   
   
   I knew it....

   
   
   
   
5. Stephen Okula

   

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   3/27/2012 1:03 PM

   Jon Gansen said: but everything you throw out is gospel.

   
   
   You catch on quickly Jon, I'm impressed. Some people have known me for years and still don't get that. (My wife and my boss, to name but two.)

   
   
   
   
6. Wahlin Scott B

   
   3/27/2012 6:03 PM

   Stephen Okula, CGCS said:

   Jon Gansen said: but everything you throw out is gospel.

   
   
   You catch on quickly Jon, I'm impressed. Some people have known me for years and still don't get that. (My wife and my boss, to name but two.)

   
   
   Your wife and your boss to name one. You're just not going to get it. I give up.

   
   
   
   
7. Dennis Cook

   

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   4/4/2012 5:04 AM

   Stephen Okula, CGCS said: "Bushes policies made it possible to get the intel that led to bin ladens death, it just would have been nice for Obama to credit those policies. The Taliban was not in control of afghanistan when Bush left, but they since have made a resurrgence. Al Qaeda was in iraq before the war, remember they had training camps. "
   
   Everything in this paragraph is blatantly false, but the most egregious of these preposterous assertions is the implication that Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein had a working relationship. I didn't say they had a working relationship, I said they had a training camp there and that was fact.Al Qaeda is a radical religious organization made up of mainly Shiite Muslims. Their goal is to institute an Islamic fundamentalist rule the world over by whatever means possible, and indiscriminate violence seems to be their first choice.
   
   Hussein was nominally a Sunni Muslim, a group notoriously at odds with the Shiite sect. In reality he was a secular fascist, whose only goal was to cling to power in Iraq and whatever territory he might be able to grab. He viewed the fundamentalists with fear and loathing, because they were a threat to his own power. No way would he ever cooperate with them. If Al Qaeda had training camps in Iraq, they were there to overthrow Hussein, not to support him. Have you ever heard of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so there may have not been a working relationship, but he sure looked the other way because Saddam knew who their ultimate target was. Remember, Al Qaeda operatives involved in the 9/11 attacks had their flight training in the U.S., by your logic then Bush actually allied himself with them.Since they had their flight training in the US and they attacked us at the beginning of the Bush administration, then by your logic it would have been Clinton that allied with them because their training was pre Bush. Also the intelligence WAS recovered because of Bushes policies and that is a fact that none of you lefties want to admit, it must sicken you, because you know its true

   
   
   
   
8. Steven Kurta

   

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   4/4/2012 10:04 PM

   Dennis Cook said: because of Bushes policies [/color]

   
   
   Here's a fun game!
   
   Which is it?
   
   1) Bush's hat
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   -OR-
   
   2) Bushes hat
   [img">http://floweringshrubss.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Garden-Bushes.jpg[/img">
   [img">http://robinheyden.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/top-hat.jpg[/img">

   
   
   
   
9. Stephen Okula

   

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   4/6/2012 3:04 PM

   Dennis Cook Also the intelligence WAS recovered because of Bushes policies and that is a fact that none of you lefties want to admit, it must sicken you, because you know its truequote]
   
   No, I'm not sick. Are you bothered that a Democrat was in the White House when bin Laden was killed?
   
   And because I'm' convinced that Bush totally botched the respoinse to 9/11 with a criminally stupid invasion of Iraq, I'm not a "lefty". I don't go calling you names now, do I?

   
   
   
   
10. Dennis Cook

    

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    4/7/2012 7:04 AM

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:

    Dennis Cook Also the intelligence WAS recovered because of Bushes policies and that is a fact that none of you lefties want to admit, it must sicken you, because you know its truequote]
    
    No, I'm not sick. Are you bothered that a Democrat was in the White House when bin Laden was killed?
    
    And because I'm' convinced that Bush totally botched the respoinse to 9/11 with a criminally stupid invasion of Iraq, I'm not a "lefty". I don't go calling you names now, do I?

    
    
    Im not bothered at all, Im actually glad that Obama kept up those policies and I give him credit for it. Even though for years he condemned them and said he was going to end them. Shoot Gitmo is still open. Obama is loving on Bush, but just wont say it.
    
    Illegal War? Are u kidding? The burden was on Saddam for the proof. he didnt provide it. He also attacked Kuwait not to long back and tried to take over there country and our cease fire had certain ramifications he had to follow. He did not follow them. He also gassed his own people with WMD's.

    
    
    
    
11. Larry Allan

    

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    4/7/2012 10:04 AM

    Denise, it was an illegal war. Just ask the rest of the world, with the exception of Togo. Sadam may not have been a great guy and he did do some very bad things but you could throw a dart at the map and find many similar or worse.
    Nice to see the plan went so well.

    
    
    
    
12. Stephen Okula

    

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    4/8/2012 4:04 AM

    Dennis Cook said: Illegal War? Are u kidding? The burden was on Saddam for the proof. he didnt provide it. He also attacked Kuwait not to long back and tried to take over there country and our cease fire had certain ramifications he had to follow. He did not follow them. He also gassed his own people with WMD's.

    
    
    The Halabja massacre was against the Kurdish people that took place on March 16, 1988, during the closing days of the Iran–Iraq War, while Saddam was enjoying U.S. support!
    
    You right wing extremists like to overlook that fact. The U.S didn't get upset about the massacre until after Saddam started messing with our flow of oil.

    
    
    
    
13. Steven Kurta

    

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    4/8/2012 7:04 AM

    It's hard not to grasp for straws when you get backed into a corner, Dennis. It's natural even. No one is faulting you. Realistically, you didn't really have a choice but to support Bush's policies, considering you're stance on things.
    Just try to enjoy the ride through 2016. I'm sure the country will be in such shambles by then the RNC will have no trouble figuring out the right candidate for the job.

    
    
    
    
14. Dennis Cook

    

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    4/9/2012 6:04 AM

    Im not grasping for straws at all, that would be what you are doing. Ive stated a lot of things to back up the fact that Obama is riding Bushes policies, but you never seem to acknowledge that. Just bad mouth me with personal attacks, call me an idiot, say im unreasonable, or unrealistic, when in reality its really the other way around. I suppose the war was legal when there was full support of congress to go to war and all the dems were on board for it and it only became illegal, when it was politically beneficial for you to oppose it. I know how you guys play the game.

    
    
    
    
15. Steven Kurta

    

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    4/13/2012 5:04 AM

    I would love to have the time to spell it out for you, Dennis. Not acting glib here -- I would love to care that much.
    But, you are a believing sort of fella, it seems. And I guess the world needs those too. More power to you.
    
    ..and I don't think you're an idiot.