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  1. Sandy Clark
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    9/12/2012 2:09 PM
    The Middle East is not sounding good! This is starting to sound frighteningly biblical. Syria is a mess and it pretty wells controls Lebanon. Egypt isn't looking promising and is trying to cozy up to Iran. Iraq is still in turmoil and it is just a matter of time before several of the more modern moderate countries are drawn in to this Islamist movement. China and Russia won't help matters at all by providing weapons. I am beginning to have strong fears that we are seeing more than just the seeds of World War III. Israel, the U.S. the Brits and a couple other allies could easily become embroiled in this thing especially if Israel has no choice than to go after Iran's nuke development. I can see how Armageddon could actually become reality rather than just a chapter in the Bible! I sure hope I am wrong.



  2. Sandy Clark
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    9/12/2012 2:09 PM
    Shoot, I failed to even mention Libya! I guess protests over the You Tube film are taking place all over the Arab world.



  3. Steven Kurta
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    9/12/2012 11:09 PM
    Use a narrower brush, Sandy.
    http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI



  4. Steven Kurta
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    9/12/2012 11:09 PM
    Also, if you didn't already think Romney was finished, he essentially put the last nail in his coffin today.
    I'd say "unbelievable" to describe what he tried to pull, but it's not. It's believable and is one of the reasons he won't be leading this country.



  5. Peter Bowman
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    9/13/2012 7:09 AM
    Steven Kurta said: Use a narrower brush, Sandy.
    http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI


    Clicked the link and thought to myself, "Ahhhhh, ain't that sweet." Look at all the cute kids protesting the actions. I especially liked a couple photos near the bottom of the scroll of the smiling, hugging women, and the three or four guys standing around chit-chatting with coffee and cigarettes in hand. They were obviously pro-American. In all the photos, not a single American flag, tee-shirt, bumper sticker....nothin.

    Maybe just a slightly smaller brush, Sandy. Very slightly.



  6. Clay Putnam
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    9/13/2012 7:09 AM
    Steven Kurta said: Use a narrower brush, Sandy.
    http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI



    That's a beautiful sentiment but your faith in "the people" of the middle east will have no bearing on stopping the demonstrations and violence. We all know it's the nut bags that get the camera time but its also the nut bags that run the countries that either refuse to control the violence/protests or, in some cases, encourage it.

    The middle east is a train wreck. Country after country after country are the result of a revolution ( a la Arib Spring) that has ended in the leadership by the minority nut bags that set up or will set up an even more oppressive extractive government than the one that was previously evicted.

    Violence and demonstrations is Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Iran, and growing. Sandy you might want to keep that wider brush close by.



  7. McCallum David K
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    9/13/2012 9:09 AM
    No all the American flags from Afghanistan to Yemen have been burned ...........unless protected by a member of our Armed Forces (armed being the key word). Yes the Arab spring was going to bring a new attitude to the region yada yada yada..........just as many on the left criticized the invasion of Iraq and the bringing down of Hussein, like many dictators he was a known entity........as was Mubarak............now I defy anyone to tell me who is in charge other than the extreme factions of the Islamic community. In my opinion if we could have back who was running Iran 20 years ago vs the religious extremist now in charge the region might be a tad bit more stable.



  8. Steven Kurta
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    9/13/2012 9:09 AM
    I can't live with that much ethnocentrism and bigotry in my life. Your pessimism is a burden for you.
    I don't know how you guys can walk around with that much fear in your minds. It must suck.



  9. Sandy Clark
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    9/13/2012 9:09 AM
    My observation is based on trends, not specifics. Even looking for the good that surely exists, the trend is scary. Egypt knew of the Sept. 11 gathering at the Embassy in early August. It wasn't spontaneous. The government of the Muslim Brotherhood let it happen / encouraged it. I might cut Libya some slack as far as government goes because they really don't have one yet. I thought our official American responses were slow on both and in the case of Egypt, apologetic. For all I know, as mysterious as the maker of this film seems to be, it could have been a plant job by an Islamist group? Like I stated in the original post, I don't see anything good coming out of this Middle East trend.



  10. Steve Nelson
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    9/13/2012 10:09 AM
    I don't know, but for as much as Sandy may be overstating the threat, Steve is just as bad at understating it. I believe that yes, the majority of muslims are decent, law abiding people that just want some security and normalcy so they can go about their lives. I believe that especially in Libya, where we just helped them gain freedom, there is probably much more pro American support than is being reported.

    However, history shows us that a radical and energized minority population can cause big problems. I have seen in old WWII documentaries how most Germans regarded the early Nazi party as political hacks, not a serious threat and nothing to worry about. They sat by idly as the Nazis rose to power, by the time they realized how serious it was it was too late. Likewise most Afghans probably hold the Taliban in low regard, but that didn't prevent them from taking power once before, and it won't stop them from taking back power the minute we leave. They are afraid to stand up to them internally, or in the case of Egypt, they also believe the mob can be manipulated.

    Certainly the gov't there allowed, maybe even encouraged the demonstration to take place and let it go up to a point intentionally. This is a dangerous mindset that can snowball out of control in a hurry. But this is what happens when revolutionaries come to power. They discover quickly that it is much harder to rule than to revolt (see Hamas in Palestine). The dictator is gone, the elected Muslim Brotherhood is in and all eyes are focused on them for results. The gov'ts there find it useful to redirect that focus on something else, like hating America.



  11. Clay Putnam
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    9/13/2012 10:09 AM
    Steven Kurta said: I can't live with that much ethnocentrism and bigotry in my life. Your pessimism is a burden for you.
    I don't know how you guys can walk around with that much fear in your minds. It must suck.


    Ethnocentrism and bigotry has as much to do with this as a fruit bowl. The old racist playbook has no relevance. I suppose pessimism is logical due to the reality of the middle east. History has proven, many times over, that the middle east is flash pan. Hiding behind a swell sign about American support in Libya does not remove the reality of instability and oppressive control of the entire area.



  12. Peter Bowman
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    9/13/2012 10:09 AM
    Steven Kurta said: I can't live with that much ethnocentrism and bigotry in my life. Your pessimism is a burden for you.
    I don't know how you guys can walk around with that much fear in your minds. It must suck.


    I don't see it as you do, so I'm a bigot. Thanks for being so tolerant.



  13. Larry Allan
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    9/13/2012 11:09 AM
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    Steven Kurta said: Use a narrower brush, Sandy.
    http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI


    Clicked the link and thought to myself, "Ahhhhh, ain't that sweet." Look at all the cute kids protesting the actions. I especially liked a couple photos near the bottom of the scroll of the smiling, hugging women, and the three or four guys standing around chit-chatting with coffee and cigarettes in hand. They were obviously pro-American. In all the photos, not a single American flag, tee-shirt, bumper sticker....nothin.

    Maybe just a slightly smaller brush, Sandy. Very slightly.


    Petey, what would make you think that Libyans would just happen to have a plethora of American flags and bumper stickers to show off?. They're likely too busy just looking for their next meal, to be buying souveniers to entertain the American public



  14. Peter Bowman
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    9/13/2012 12:09 PM
    Larry Allan said:

    Petey, what would make you think that Libyans would just happen to have a plethora of American flags and bumper stickers to show off?......


    Nothing really. It's just that I'm a bigot and didn't even know it until now. I just wasn't impressed with the series of photos. Too many people having too much fun after the damage done by their countrymen. Too much hugging and joviality. Looks like they were taken on Libyan Valentine's Day, whenever that is.



  15. Sandy Clark
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    9/13/2012 2:09 PM
    Steve, our press is trying to make it look like Romney stepped in it big time but I think the sentiment of the American people is far more of the Romney belief than the press believes. They were even caught on an open mike planning questions to make Romney look bad. I prefer Romney's honesty on the matter far more than our embassy apologizing and then sticking by their statement after Obama changed the wording. People are really getting tired of Obama or his team apologizing for America, especially when this Egypt event was planned long before this so-called video came out. Don't count on Obama winning. They are dead even in spite of all the attempted distractions from the American economy. Trust me, Obama and his operatives are really in a panic.



  16. Ronald Kirkman
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    9/13/2012 2:09 PM
    Greetings;

    Can someone please tell me why we keep spending BILLIONS of DOLLARS on the Middle East?

    Or, why can't we take over Libya and make it the 51st. state.

    Or, let's really foul them up and all Americans become members of the Muslim Religion!

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham golf Club
    Needham, MA



  17. Sean Hoolehan
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    9/14/2012 8:09 AM
    Steven Kurta said: Use a narrower brush, Sandy.
    http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI



    Nice Pictures Steve! I thought that the Benghazi area was where the majority of the Libyan freedom fighters came from. From what I have been able to piece together this was a attack by extremest terrorists. I wonder if the Ambassador was in Benghazi because it was perceived as safer than Tripoli?

    As far as the Presidential stuff goes it looks like a draw since both candidates had serious screw ups during the follow up that will likely be replayed for several months.

    Rule # 1 Presidential Candidates should never comment on active foreign attacks criticizing/blaming the administrations actions. You have to let it play out and support the mission of keeping Americans safe. There will be plenty of time later when more is known. In the mean time don't let the enemy divide and conquer.

    Rule #2 The sitting President should know the difference between Allies and Enemies.

    Sean



  18. Wahlin Scott B
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    9/14/2012 9:09 AM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said: Rule #2 The sitting President should know the difference between Allies and Enemies.


    I am pretty sure that the only way to tell over there is whether they are shooting at you or away from you.



  19. Ashton Alan W
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    9/14/2012 9:09 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said: Rule #2 The sitting President should know the difference between Allies and Enemies.


    I am pretty sure that the only way to tell over there is whether they are shooting at you or away from you.


    I keep score by how many billions they get from us...



  20. McCallum David K
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    9/14/2012 12:09 PM
    I agree that Romney should have kept quite and let it play out and let the American public decide how the guy in charge is handling a very very tense and serious situation. If you think its not serious then you are only fooling yourself. This has escalated to virtually every Muslim country in the region. The terms directed at Sandy, Clay and myself I assume should be directed at the Muslim militants that are ransacking embassies in every country. The term absolutely fits them as they are basing their actions towards us from their cultural viewpoint. They cannot understand the US govt had nothing to do with this video.............and like someone else said .......it may be a plant. I just heard the president will be speaking shortly. Glad to hear that he will because his last comment about what was going on was laughable........"some protesters"......people that scaled embassy walls, burned and looted the buildings, and killed Americans were merely protesting. They are attacking not only our embassies but heard they just stormed the German embassy as well.

    I will go out on a limb and say before the years end.................Israel will strike.....without our help as they basically feel right now ............"its us or them" and they will release the blind cleric (meaning the US will release him)

    PS the minimum foreign aid to all of the country's involved in the uprisings is $ 2 billion a year with most reaching double digits........................money well spent............remember his Arab tour was to bring a new warm and fuzzy feeling towards America from the Arab world and Muslims in general



  21. Albert Kronwall
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    9/14/2012 1:09 PM
    This reminds me of something I heard on the radio, not sure who to credit it to, but I will repeat it because it was a good analogy.

    Remember the guy that deceided to go live with grizzly bears because he thought their public image of "man eaters" was unfair and he wanted to prove that they could be friendly if treated with kindness.

    It worked for awhile, but then a grizzly killed him and ate him!



  22. Trevor Monreal
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    9/14/2012 2:09 PM
    What are you guys talking about???
    Don't you know the real issues are: women having to pay for their own contraception and individuals not having the ability to marry whomever they want?
    Nuff said



  23. Stephen Okula
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    9/14/2012 3:09 PM
    And remember how Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rove at al promised us that after the invasion of Iraq democracy in the middle east would spring forth and flourish like crabgrass in July? As ye sow, so shall ye reap.



  24. Peter Bowman
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    9/14/2012 5:09 PM
    And when nobody was looking........

    http://blogs.barrons.com/incomeinvestin ... it-rating/



  25. Clay Putnam
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    9/14/2012 6:09 PM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: And remember how Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rove at al promised us that after the invasion of Iraq democracy in the middle east would spring forth and flourish like crabgrass in July? As ye sow, so shall ye reap.


    So are you, yet again, blaming Bush or suggesting the nut bags in the middle east are justified in the current attacks? Or maybe a bit of both?



  26. McCallum David K
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    9/15/2012 9:09 AM
    Yes Pete I had heard that a day or two ago but of course not via the main stream media who is so in bed with Obama its beyond the point of being funny. And Clay, Bush will be blamed well into this century for everything that has happened in the past 4 decades. Apparently he is the only man alive that has responsibility for past comments or actions. Certainly not the guy in office now.



  27. Stephen Okula
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    9/15/2012 10:09 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: And remember how Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rove at al promised us that after the invasion of Iraq democracy in the middle east would spring forth and flourish like crabgrass in July? As ye sow, so shall ye reap.


    So are you, yet again, blaming Bush or suggesting the nut bags in the middle east are justified in the current attacks? Or maybe a bit of both?


    I was drinking when I wrote that, so it doesn't count.

    The middle east crazies are wholey and solely responsible for their crimes.

    So are Bush, Cheney, et al.



  28. Clay Putnam
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    9/15/2012 12:09 PM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: And remember how Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rove at al promised us that after the invasion of Iraq democracy in the middle east would spring forth and flourish like crabgrass in July? As ye sow, so shall ye reap.


    So are you, yet again, blaming Bush or suggesting the nut bags in the middle east are justified in the current attacks? Or maybe a bit of both?


    I was drinking when I wrote that, so it doesn't count.




    I like your style. I'll have to try that one on the Mrs.



  29. Keith Pegg
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    9/15/2012 6:09 PM
    Steven Kurta said: Use a narrower brush, Sandy.
    http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI

    well done Steve



  30. Peter Bowman
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    9/16/2012 8:09 AM
    Larry Allan said:

    Petey, what would make you think that Libyans would just happen to have a plethora of American flags and bumper stickers to show off?.


    Hey Red, just thinking out loud to myself here....

    Since Libya is right next door, maybe they could buy some of those American flags from neighboring Egypt. Plenty there, it apprears. They're all being burned. The good Libyans could wave them at the bad Libyans.



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