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Ronald Kirkman

42 posts

6/12/2016 1:06 PM

Greetings;

Mr. Obama spoke and no mention on Radical Islam and Terror. He did say how easy it is to acquire guns in America.

No doubt this shooter certainly had some training to get off as many rounds as he did. The ideology of these Radical Muslims must be stopped. We need a President to work with the Military and Muslim Countries to stop ISIS.

Capt.Kirk
Retired Alien
NeedhamGolfClub
Needham,MA

Bedford Mike P

6/12/2016 2:06 PM

Ronald Kirkman said: Mr. Obama spoke and no mention on Radical Islam and Terror. He did say how easy it is to acquire guns in America.

You noticed that too? He did call it terrorism, just left out the radical Islamic part. Welcome to post-9/11 PC politics, where we profile the victims but not the perpetrators.
Very sad.

Larry Allan

0 posts

6/13/2016 6:06 AM

It was terrorism, but at the time the speech was made, they had very little information other than the shooters name and personally I don't think a name is enough to determine it to radical Islamic terrorism. If you change my last name by one letter I become Larry Allah. Does that in and of itself make me suspicious?

Clay Putnam

33 posts

6/13/2016 7:06 AM

Larry Allan said: It was terrorism, but at the time the speech was made, they had very little information other than the shooters name and personally I don't think a name is enough to determine it to radical Islamic terrorism. If you change my last name by one letter I become Larry Allah. Does that in and of itself make me suspicious?

I was listening to the radio before Obama's speech and there was quite a bit of information reported about the shooter. Regardless, Obama will never make the tie between a mass murder and Islam.

Larry Allan

0 posts

6/13/2016 10:06 AM

Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
Larry Allan said: It was terrorism, but at the time the speech was made, they had very little information other than the shooters name and personally I don't think a name is enough to determine it to radical Islamic terrorism. If you change my last name by one letter I become Larry Allah. Does that in and of itself make me suspicious?

I was listening to the radio before Obama's speech and there was quite a bit of information reported about the shooter. Regardless, Obama will never make the tie between a mass murder and Islam.

There was also his father saying he hated Gay people before the shooting.
Some people never make the connection between protestants, Catholics and murder but they do and did exist.

Curtis Nickerson

0 posts

6/13/2016 12:06 PM

Larry Allan said:
Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
Larry Allan said: It was terrorism, but at the time the speech was made, they had very little information other than the shooters name and personally I don't think a name is enough to determine it to radical Islamic terrorism. If you change my last name by one letter I become Larry Allah. Does that in and of itself make me suspicious?

I was listening to the radio before Obama's speech and there was quite a bit of information reported about the shooter. Regardless, Obama will never make the tie between a mass murder and Islam.

There was also his father saying he hated Gay people before the shooting.
Some people never make the connection between protestants, Catholics and murder but they do and did exist.

Don't forget the crusades Larry, that's always relevant when discussing modern day religious massacres

Curtis Nickerson

0 posts

6/13/2016 1:06 PM

Funny how some of the most powerful people in the world don't have "real time" information on these matters, just like the movie caused Benghazi

Clay Putnam

33 posts

6/13/2016 2:06 PM

Larry Allan said:
Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
Larry Allan said: It was terrorism, but at the time the speech was made, they had very little information other than the shooters name and personally I don't think a name is enough to determine it to radical Islamic terrorism. If you change my last name by one letter I become Larry Allah. Does that in and of itself make me suspicious?

I was listening to the radio before Obama's speech and there was quite a bit of information reported about the shooter. Regardless, Obama will never make the tie between a mass murder and Islam.

There was also his father saying he hated Gay people before the shooting.
Some people never make the connection between protestants, Catholics and murder but they do and did exist.

Making a comparison to any christian faith and islam as it relates to present day terrorism is a ginormous stretch. Scratch that. There is no comparison.

Bedford Mike P

6/13/2016 5:06 PM

Larry Allan said: If you change my last name by one letter I become Larry Allah. Does that in and of itself make me suspicious?

I wouldn't change that letter, Larry. These folks commit murder over cartoon editorials; I seriously doubt they'd be thrilled with you taking the name of their deity.

Larry Allan

0 posts

6/14/2016 4:06 AM

Curtis Nickerson said:
Larry Allan said:
Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
Larry Allan said: It was terrorism, but at the time the speech was made, they had very little information other than the shooters name and personally I don't think a name is enough to determine it to radical Islamic terrorism. If you change my last name by one letter I become Larry Allah. Does that in and of itself make me suspicious?

I was listening to the radio before Obama's speech and there was quite a bit of information reported about the shooter. Regardless, Obama will never make the tie between a mass murder and Islam.

There was also his father saying he hated Gay people before the shooting.
Some people never make the connection between protestants, Catholics and murder but they do and did exist.

Don't forget the crusades Larry, that's always relevant when discussing modern day religious massacres

Well it might be a long time ago to you guys but I grew up watching the nightly news Northern Ireland and London were bombed on a daily basis. That was the 60s-70s-80s. Not that long ago. More recently McVey had some interesting religious views along with a hatred of the US Government.We don't have to go back to the Crusades to prove a modern day point

Clay Putnam

33 posts

6/14/2016 6:06 AM

"A" point.

I know it's not the PC thing to say but I'm always weary when I see a Night Templar board a plane.

Larry Allan

0 posts

6/14/2016 7:06 AM

Night Templars freak me out as well. So do those Jewish guys who wear the cowboy Hats with Dreadlocks

Stephen Ravenkamp

1 posts

6/14/2016 7:06 AM

Christianity doesn't need to take a back seat to any religion when it comes to killing people in the name of "religion". Let's face it, regardless of how it is promoted, it is really about power and control and religion is just being used as a cover. The vast majority of people, whether they be Christian, Islam, Hindu, Jewish or any other religion, are not involved in these atrocities. In the current case, even if the jihadists number in the 100's of 1000's that is a very small number of the over 1 billion Muslims throughout the world. And very, very few of the jihadists are in it for religious reasons.

Curtis Nickerson

0 posts

6/14/2016 8:06 AM

Stephen Ravenkamp, CGCS said: Christianity doesn't need to take a back seat to any religion when it comes to killing people in the name of "religion". Let's face it, regardless of how it is promoted, it is really about power and control and religion is just being used as a cover. The vast majority of people, whether they be Christian, Islam, Hindu, Jewish or any other religion, are not involved in these atrocities. In the current case, even if the jihadists number in the 100's of 1000's that is a very small number of the over 1 billion Muslims throughout the world. And very, very few of the jihadists are in it for religious reasons.

The root word of Jihadist is Jihad...
ji•had or je•had (dÊ’ÉªËˆhÉ‘d)

n.
1. a holy war undertaken as a sacred duty by Muslims.

Sandy Clark

0 posts

6/14/2016 10:06 AM

Along with the refusal to call the problem what it is, it drives me crazy how the next line is gun control. This guy passed all requirements. Maybe the screening process needs to be greatly improved. Killers will kill rather it is a gun, knives, cars, explosives or any other way they choose to be barbaric. I do not own a gun but when you take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, the bad guys have nobody to worry about because they don't follow rules anyway! All of this makes me want to finally buy a gun since the cops fill out reports after you have been robbed or are dead. It is so obvious that if you don't protect yourself, you will be that dead victim. World has changed but in a very bad way. If you cannot or will not define your enemy, you basically are clueless as to how to solve the problem.

Larry Allan

0 posts

6/14/2016 12:06 PM

Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Along with the refusal to call the problem what it is, it drives me crazy how the next line is gun control. This guy passed all requirements. Maybe the screening process needs to be greatly improved. Killers will kill rather it is a gun, knives, cars, explosives or any other way they choose to be barbaric. I do not own a gun but when you take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, the bad guys have nobody to worry about because they don't follow rules anyway! All of this makes me want to finally buy a gun since the cops fill out reports after you have been robbed or are dead. It is so obvious that if you don't protect yourself, you will be that dead victim. World has changed but in a very bad way. If you cannot or will not define your enemy, you basically are clueless as to how to solve the problem.

Your congress decided it was ok to sell guns to anyone. Even people on a watch list for terrorists. I find that bizarre. You are right Sandy, you can kill people with anything but so far the right to bare arms doesn't include suitcase nukes or explosives. There need to be a line drawn with the capability of a weapon. These things ain't muskets anymore
Small Guns Kill people one person at a time
Big Guns mow down masses

Curtis Nickerson

0 posts

6/14/2016 1:06 PM

Larry, how many rights are we to give away without due process? No charges, no trial, we will just take your rights...? that seems logical eh?

Larry Allan

0 posts

6/14/2016 7:06 PM

I don't know. I respect each of you. I can't vote. Only my opinion

Christopher Thuer

101 posts

6/14/2016 7:06 PM

Sandy,

I applied for a carry permit the day after the Paris attack and began the search for my first firearm. After trying several of friends guns, visiting gun shops and big outdoor retail stores I bought a Smith and Wesson M and P Shield in 9mm. Smaller frame and holds 7 and 8 round magazines. I have it loaded and chambered at all times in an electronic lock box in the house. I can have the box open, gun in hand, and safety off in less than 3 seconds. I don't carry yet but might soon. It depends on how much more crazy things get.

I may soon be looking into an AR in .223. Our assistant pro has one. My 14 yo son has shot it and he was able to handle it with ease. Kicked a little more than his .22.

As for banning the AR. There is absolutely no difference between the AR and the semi automatic handguns other than one being bigger and scary looking. I can go through 2 mags, a 7 and an 8, with my Shield in less than 10 seconds. My assistant has the full size M and P that hold 15 round mags. He has 4 mags and can go right through them.

Chris Thuer, CGCS, Bear Slide Golf Club, Cicero, IN

Ronald Kirkman

42 posts

6/14/2016 10:06 PM

Greetings;

Larry, any truth that Islamic prayers have been introduced in Toronto and other public schools in Ontario and Ottawa while The Lords Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive ?

Capt. Kirk
Retired Alien
Needham Golf Club
Needham, MA

Steven Huffstutler

11 posts

6/15/2016 4:06 AM

Ronald Kirkman said: Greetings;

Larry, any truth that Islamic prayers have been introduced in Toronto and other public schools in Ontario and Ottawa while The Lords Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive ?

Capt. Kirk
Retired Alien
Needham Golf Club
Needham, MA

Jesus, you will believe anything, won't you?

Clay Putnam

33 posts

6/15/2016 4:06 AM

It's interesting that these terrorist attacks always morph into a gun control debate. The reality - this is not a gun control debate. Guns had nothing to do with [u">why[/u"> this nut job did what he did? For those who want to make this a gun control issue - if this is a gun control issue then explain the terrorist attacks in Europe.

Larry Allan

0 posts

6/15/2016 4:06 AM

Ronald Kirkman said: Greetings;

Larry, any truth that Islamic prayers have been introduced in Toronto and other public schools in Ontario and Ottawa while The Lords Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive ?

Capt. Kirk
Retired Alien
Needham Golf Club
Needham, MA

Not that I know of Capt.

Larry Allan

0 posts

6/15/2016 9:06 AM

Larry Allan said:
Ronald Kirkman said: Greetings;

Larry, any truth that Islamic prayers have been introduced in Toronto and other public schools in Ontario and Ottawa while The Lords Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive ?

Capt. Kirk
Retired Alien
Needham Golf Club
Needham, MA

Not that I know of Capt.

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/30599/have-islamic-prayers-been-introduced-into-ontario-public-schools-while-christian

The Lords Prayer was removed from classrooms many years ago but it certainly wasn't replaced by a Muslim prayer. If anyone wants to pray to anyone, there are rooms set aside so that they can pray without inflicting their nonsense on anyone else

Trevor Monreal

5 posts

6/15/2016 2:06 PM

Clay Putnam, CGCS said: ...if this is a gun control issue then explain the terrorist attacks in Europe.

Well Clay, that's easy...poverty and the lack of jobs.
What I can't wrap my head around is how in the world will these radicals want to kill homosexuals any less if we were to take all the guns away from, let's say, everybody in the U.S.
I think they call that mental gymnastics

Peter Bowman

11 posts

6/16/2016 10:06 PM

Is there one Quran or two?

Is there just one that Jihadists use and they do what Mohammed calls for and the peaceful moderates just decide not to follow, neglecting their call to duty by Mohammed? Because that would be one Quran.

Or is there one that the peaceful moderates go by and a different one that Jihadists use? That would be two Qurans.

Larry Allan

0 posts

6/17/2016 4:06 AM

Peter Bowman, CGCS said: Is there one Quran or two?

Is there just one that Jihadists use and they do what Mohammed calls for and the peaceful moderates just decide not to follow, neglecting their call to duty by Mohammed? Because that would be one Quran.

Or is there one that the peaceful moderates go by and a different one that Jihadists use? That would be two Qurans.

Petey, I think it is much like the Bible. The new Testament is about love and acceptance. The old is about retribution, punishment, Gods Wrath and burning down cities with Gays. Back then they didn't "Ask the Gays" They just set them alight

Sandy Clark

0 posts

6/17/2016 9:06 AM

This crazy guy passed all the gun registration requirements yet he had been checked out twice by the FBI and was still issued the weapons. I think mental health issues need to looked at more carefully, our law enforcement agencies have to begin actually talking to each other. Everyone around this guy knew he was trouble and many complained but nobody did anything. Some failed to report him and some failed to respond to him with disciplinary action because they didn't want to appear to be Islamaphobic. Political correctness and stupidity are killing us, not the guns. The nightmare behind the guns who are pulling the trigger are the guilty ones. That idiot Clyburn tries to blame everything from the republican party to the NRA for the killings. No, this guy gave all the signs and his employer and law enforcement did nothing to prevent this. The gun, no matter the size, did not walk into the bar and start shooting on its own. So many other real factors exist but it isn't the gun. Probably spell this wrong but before many of you were born, when Nikita Kruschev was in charge of the Soviet Union, he said they could never take over the US because citizens were allowed to own guns. That speaks volumes. Good guys need guns for protection so lets start working on the bad guys.

Steven Huffstutler

11 posts

6/17/2016 10:06 AM

Banning law abiding citizens from owning guns that scare you won't stop terrorists from committing acts of terrorism.
It certainly hasn't worked in France where they have strict gun control and it won't work here.

Sorry.

Steve

Larry Allan

0 posts

6/17/2016 10:06 AM

Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Banning law abiding citizens from owning guns that scare you won't stop terrorists from committing acts of terrorism.
It certainly hasn't worked in France where they have strict gun control and it won't work here.

Sorry.

Steve

My Good Friend. If you can be on a terror watch and still legally by a gun, That is a problem. He may get a gun elsewhere, but the state has not helped him to commit the crimes.
Sandy is right about the mental health issue. I tend to believe that unless it's a situation of preserving your and your families life. anyone who kills is mentally ill.
The sheer volume of guns and availability in the US means these killings will continue. To get a gun elsewhere in the civilized world (even France) needs a lot of dedication and fortitude. You will likely still get your hands on one if you are persistent, but you can't just enter a store and buy one in a fit of anger.

Steve, you won't likely gun me down because you disagree with me but with open availability comes opportunity. Add a dose of mental instability and..... Bobs your carcass

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