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  1. Steven Huffstutler
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    7/22/2012 1:07 PM
    Maybe you can explain to me how taking my guns away is going to keep a madman from getting these things and committing an atrocity.

    Regards,

    Steve



  2. Andy Jorgensen
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    7/22/2012 1:07 PM
    He bought most of the ammo from the internet and the tactical gear from the website tacticalgear.com. The owner of the website said he was one of over 2,000 orders that day, and was nothing out of the ordinary since it was all obtained legally, and for under $300. Now, one thing I do agree with you on is the fact that he was purchasing body armor. If any laws need to be changed, it's the fact that the bad guys are as well as, if not better protected than our lawmen. But saying we need stronger gun laws is not going to prevent something like this from happening. I have several friends with sub-automatic military assault rifles that I could purchase in a heartbeat. They own them because they like to shoot stuff up, and do so about once a month. Its a hobby they all enjoy and a way to get the adrenaline flowing. Different strokes for different folks.



  3. Larry Allan
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    7/22/2012 3:07 PM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Maybe you can explain to me how taking my guns away is going to keep a madman from getting these things and committing an atrocity.

    Regards,

    Steve

    you talkin to me?

    never said such a thing



  4. Steven Huffstutler
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    7/22/2012 4:07 PM
    Larry Allan said:
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Maybe you can explain to me how taking my guns away is going to keep a madman from getting these things and committing an atrocity.

    Regards,

    Steve

    you talkin to me?

    never said such a thing



    Rhetorical question.



  5. McCallum David K
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    7/23/2012 8:07 AM
    What happened was another American tragedy. Hard to say if it were preventable.......I say probably not. He was a loner......lots of people are and dont go on killing rampages. I do not believe stricter gun laws would have stopped this from happening if indeed he was determined (an it appeared he was that) to follow through on his plan. The theather like, churches, bars, schools, government buildings (but they often have metal detectors) and known as gun free zones............so what, it still occurred. See if placing "I am a gun free household" sign in your front yard and see if that protects you from nut jobs.



  6. Niemier Rick A
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    7/23/2012 12:07 PM
    David McCallum said: What happened was another American tragedy. Hard to say if it were preventable.......I say probably not. He was a loner......lots of people are and dont go on killing rapages. I do not believe stricter gun laws would have stopped this from happening if indeed he was determined (an it appeared he was that) to follow through on his plan. The theather like, churches, bars, schools, government buildings (but they often have metal detectors) and known as gun free zones............so what, it still occurred. See if placing "I am a gun free household" sign in your front yard and see if that protects you from nut jobs.



    Or you could just post a "I have guns left all over the property" sign. That should keep nut jobs away. Oh wait, that didn't protect you from some nut job stealing your protection, a gun.



  7. McCallum David K
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    7/23/2012 12:07 PM
    No it didn't........... an unlocked truck did that. That was my mistake and of course the thief but why hold him accountable .......it was mine and Bush's fault. That been said it changes nothing that happened in Colorado.



  8. Sandy Clark
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    7/23/2012 3:07 PM
    Rather than gun control, maybe selling any type of weapon or tactical gear through the internet should be prevented and keep those items in stores only. Would it have stopped this? Only if it was harder for him to get so much ammo and the gear. Maybe you restrict the protective gear to law enforcement and those in unusual conditions. The kid would have probably tried bombs in the theater if he didn't have guns. He was going to create mayhem somehow.



  9. Jon Gansen
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    7/23/2012 3:07 PM
    Rick Niemier said:
    James Schmid said:

    The personal tragedy involved is obviously unimanigable for those directly affected. As far of the rest of us? We should not even bring this up in relation to gun control. Whether we need gun control or not, this isn't the reason. The odds of this being a factor in any of our lives are pretty slim.



    If something like this is NOT a reason to bring up gun control and whether or not laws need to be changed when would e a good time? Oh yea, lets wait until another shooting happens. It won't happen to me. Stick your head in the sand and hold on to your gun while your at it.



    Why is it people think another law will take care of the problem. This guy was certified NUTS. He wanted to kill alot of people and his choice was a gun. He probably had other plans or ways to inflict damage. Prohibition didnt work with alcohol so how could you manage guns when our own government has had recent problems.



  10. Niemier Rick A
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    7/23/2012 4:07 PM
    Jon Gansen said:
    Rick Niemier said:
    James Schmid said:

    The personal tragedy involved is obviously unimanigable for those directly affected. As far of the rest of us? We should not even bring this up in relation to gun control. Whether we need gun control or not, this isn't the reason. The odds of this being a factor in any of our lives are pretty slim.



    If something like this is NOT a reason to bring up gun control and whether or not laws need to be changed when would e a good time? Oh yea, lets wait until another shooting happens. It won't happen to me. Stick your head in the sand and hold on to your gun while your at it.



    Why is it people think another law will take care of the problem. This guy was certified NUTS. He wanted to kill alot of people and his choice was a gun. He probably had other plans or ways to inflict damage. Prohibition didnt work with alcohol so how could you manage guns when our own government has had recent problems.


    A couple things.... He bought (all legally) 2 handguns, a shotgun, an AR-15 assault rifle, tactical body gear head to toe, 6,000 rounds of ammo, 40 round clips for the pistols, 100 round clip for the AR-15. Why would anyone not in the military or law enforcement need tactical body armor? Are large clips really needed in this country? Besides some clown who needs to get his rocks off shooting up a target is there really a need for an AR-15 with 100 round clips?

    I remember in the 80's when, according to James Schmid "It's like saying that no one should use tylenol because back in the 80s a few people in chicago were killed by poisoned tylenol." Remember what happened after that? Millions of bottles of Tylenol was removed from the shelves. Look at all the containers medication comes in. Tamper-proof packaging. Things change when catastrophes like this happen. It's time to at least take a look at gun laws and see what can be improved. Oh, and Jon, our gov't has only had "recent" problems? Does recent include the George Bush years?



  11. Robert Crockett
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    7/23/2012 5:07 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Rather than gun control, maybe selling any type of weapon or tactical gear through the internet should be prevented and keep those items in stores only. Would it have stopped this? Only if it was harder for him to get so much ammo and the gear. Maybe you restrict the protective gear to law enforcement and those in unusual conditions. The kid would have probably tried bombs in the theater if he didn't have guns. He was going to create mayhem somehow.

    This Kid is highly intelligent....studying in the field of neurology......He could make basically what ever he wanted. Studied mental illness also....
    Ted Kaczynski was another intelligent freak....murderer. The Laws don't do much for the Law breakers.....That stuff is out there and can be acquired above or under ground.



  12. Keith Pegg
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    7/23/2012 7:07 PM
    Gun Control, No is the only answer, however 100 shot clips come on! No one is going to use this for hunting, maybe 15 or less or a stock clip for the gun you use, I have a 7 shot clip and can fire all 7 shots in about 5 seconds. That is enough. The AR 15 is a military rifle and again it is not a proper hunting gun. Might be cool to have one for blowing tin cans to the "other-sid". Shotguns with more than 3 are the same thing why if you can't get the bird with 3 what is more going to do for you. 200+ years ago when the 2st amendment was drafted they had flint-locks and blunder-busters guns. Many of the supersonic speed guns can fire two and three miles. Maybe we should rethink the ammo. Teflon coated cop killers and all.
    As for this movie killer Mr. Homes, let's charge him with one crime at a time and when we get a guilty then give him the death sentence. This is going to take years and cost millions if we go all at once. He is guilt so let's finish it up. Is he crazy, of course he is and has to be to do what he did? But he is smart and I think he knew what he was doing that is enough. One victim was 6 years old and because if your victim is under 12 the death sentence goes into effect.

    Keith



  13. Jon Gansen
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    7/23/2012 8:07 PM
    Rick Niemier said:
    Jon Gansen said:
    Rick Niemier said:
    James Schmid said:

    The personal tragedy involved is obviously unimanigable for those directly affected. As far of the rest of us? We should not even bring this up in relation to gun control. Whether we need gun control or not, this isn't the reason. The odds of this being a factor in any of our lives are pretty slim.



    If something like this is NOT a reason to bring up gun control and whether or not laws need to be changed when would e a good time? Oh yea, lets wait until another shooting happens. It won't happen to me. Stick your head in the sand and hold on to your gun while your at it.



    Why is it people think another law will take care of the problem. This guy was certified NUTS. He wanted to kill alot of people and his choice was a gun. He probably had other plans or ways to inflict damage. Prohibition didnt work with alcohol so how could you manage guns when our own government has had recent problems.


    A couple things.... He bought (all legally) 2 handguns, a shotgun, an AR-15 assault rifle, tactical body gear head to toe, 6,000 rounds of ammo, 40 round clips for the pistols, 100 round clip for the AR-15. Why would anyone not in the military or law enforcement need tactical body armor? Are large clips really needed in this country? Besides some clown who needs to get his rocks off shooting up a target is there really a need for an AR-15 with 100 round clips?

    I remember in the 80's when, according to James Schmid "It's like saying that no one should use tylenol because back in the 80s a few people in chicago were killed by poisoned tylenol." Remember what happened after that? Millions of bottles of Tylenol was removed from the shelves. Look at all the containers medication comes in. Tamper-proof packaging. Things change when catastrophes like this happen. It's time to at least take a look at gun laws and see what can be improved. Oh, and Jon, our gov't has only had "recent" problems? Does recent include the George Bush years?



    The part about government and gun problems should be enough to say no to another feel good law that will not stop the next nutso. Clips or no 100 round clip he would and they will find a way to kill if that is what they have their mind set to.



  14. Sandy Clark
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    7/24/2012 9:07 AM
    When I went home last Friday afternoon, I saw news helicopters circling the general neighborhood until nearly dark. I thought that was a bit much considering the creep had been in school long enough to be pursuing a doctorate degree. Do you really need to harass the parents like that considering the kid hasn't lived at home for the past several years? The parents didn't commit the act, the kid did and he is in Colorado! The parents are going to suffer the rest of their lives. The news doesn't need to be taking useless pictures of someone's house! If he was a teen still living at home and had committed mass murder in the area, it might be different. Give the parents a break. They are already in great pain.



  15. James Schmid
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    7/24/2012 9:07 AM
    Rick Niemier said: Are large clips really needed in this country? Besides some clown who needs to get his rocks off shooting up a target is there really a need for an AR-15 with 100 round clips?



    Thats a pretty disrespectful statement to make. To each his own. I think thats the whole idea about protecting individual liberties. If some "clown" wants to "get his rocks off shooting up a target" the he should be free to do so. There are plenty of other dangerous hobbies out there. Like backyard swimming. How about all of the poor kids who drown in backyard swimming pools?



  16. Melvin Waldron
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    7/24/2012 9:07 AM
    Jon Gansen said:
    Rick Niemier said:
    Jon Gansen said:
    Rick Niemier said:
    James Schmid said:

    The personal tragedy involved is obviously unimanigable for those directly affected. As far of the rest of us? We should not even bring this up in relation to gun control. Whether we need gun control or not, this isn't the reason. The odds of this being a factor in any of our lives are pretty slim.



    If something like this is NOT a reason to bring up gun control and whether or not laws need to be changed when would e a good time? Oh yea, lets wait until another shooting happens. It won't happen to me. Stick your head in the sand and hold on to your gun while your at it.



    Why is it people think another law will take care of the problem. This guy was certified NUTS. He wanted to kill alot of people and his choice was a gun. He probably had other plans or ways to inflict damage. Prohibition didnt work with alcohol so how could you manage guns when our own government has had recent problems.


    A couple things.... He bought (all legally) 2 handguns, a shotgun, an AR-15 assault rifle, tactical body gear head to toe, 6,000 rounds of ammo, 40 round clips for the pistols, 100 round clip for the AR-15. Why would anyone not in the military or law enforcement need tactical body armor? Are large clips really needed in this country? Besides some clown who needs to get his rocks off shooting up a target is there really a need for an AR-15 with 100 round clips?

    I remember in the 80's when, according to James Schmid "It's like saying that no one should use tylenol because back in the 80s a few people in chicago were killed by poisoned tylenol." Remember what happened after that? Millions of bottles of Tylenol was removed from the shelves. Look at all the containers medication comes in. Tamper-proof packaging. Things change when catastrophes like this happen. It's time to at least take a look at gun laws and see what can be improved. Oh, and Jon, our gov't has only had "recent" problems? Does recent include the George Bush years?



    The part about government and gun problems should be enough to say no to another feel good law that will not stop the next nutso. Clips or no 100 round clip he would and they will find a way to kill if that is what they have their mind set to.


    But I think the discussion should be why make it easier for some nutso to kill by selling him a 100 round clip? I think it also puts law enforcement at a disadvantage as well, at least the first few units that arrive. Let them take part in the discussion.

    I'm all for people having their guns per the 2nd amendment, but can't there be any logical discussions had about things like ammo clips, and the like? Heck, can I really go buy a tank and shells? Should I be allowed to? Hey according and depending how we read the second amendment, why not?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  17. McCallum David K
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    7/24/2012 10:07 AM
    The question was asked why someone needs 100 round magazines, body armour,lets include gas canisters and whatever he had rigged in his apartment as well. No one needs them obviously but those that are mentally unstable can get them legally and do. I do not think any amount of changes to the law will prevent it. Those intent on doing someone harm or breaking a law will do so. Bank robbery is illegal but it seems there is one in the news almost weekly. Bad guys or crazy guys will always be bad or crazy. One more or a hundred more laws will not prevent these tragic things from happening.

    I shoot one or two days a week at at an indoor range...........don't find myself "excited" about shooting up some targets but I do enjoy it. Not shooting bursts of 10 or 20 or 30 rounds at a time with an AR 15 but do enjoy a few clips from my pistols being emptied into a target............



  18. Larry Allan
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    7/24/2012 12:07 PM
    James Schmid said:
    Rick Niemier said: Are large clips really needed in this country? Besides some clown who needs to get his rocks off shooting up a target is there really a need for an AR-15 with 100 round clips?



    Thats a pretty disrespectful statement to make. To each his own. I think thats the whole idea about protecting individual liberties. If some "clown" wants to "get his rocks off shooting up a target" the he should be free to do so. There are plenty of other dangerous hobbies out there. Like backyard swimming. How about all of the poor kids who drown in backyard swimming pools?


    James,
    Just a quick question and it is meant to be serious....Where do you stand on gay marriage, legalized drug use, prostitution etc?
    I'd just like to know if you are consistent in your thought process



  19. James Schmid
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    7/24/2012 1:07 PM
    Larry Allan said:
    James Schmid said:
    Rick Niemier said: Are large clips really needed in this country? Besides some clown who needs to get his rocks off shooting up a target is there really a need for an AR-15 with 100 round clips?



    Thats a pretty disrespectful statement to make. To each his own. I think thats the whole idea about protecting individual liberties. If some "clown" wants to "get his rocks off shooting up a target" the he should be free to do so. There are plenty of other dangerous hobbies out there. Like backyard swimming. How about all of the poor kids who drown in backyard swimming pools?


    James,
    Just a quick question and it is meant to be serious....Where do you stand on gay marriage, legalized drug use, prostitution etc?
    I'd just like to know if you are consistent in your thought process


    If there are to be unions of 2 people endorsed by the government, so long as they are both able minded consenting adults, the government should not be deciding whom may or may not enter into these unions. I think that prohibition on drugs is ineffective, and has a whole host of negative consequences. I think the prohibition should be gradually and carefully relaxed. Prostitution - I think that illegal prostitution is more damaging to society than would be if legalized.

    And as far as gun control - in all seriousness - these mass murders are terrible - they dont happen that often. I think there are arguments to make for gun control, I think these mass murders are a stupid reason to use to back them up.

    Mexico has super strict gun control and they have mass murders daily. Bad people do bad things



  20. Wahlin Scott B
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    7/24/2012 3:07 PM
    I am a clown who wants to get his rocks off shooting up a target, which may include an abandoned car. But you knew that.



  21. Steven Kurta
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    7/24/2012 3:07 PM
    the silence is deafening, pale. you know the answer anyway.



  22. Larry Allan
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    7/25/2012 4:07 AM
    James Schmid said:
    Larry Allan said:
    James Schmid said:
    Rick Niemier said: Are large clips really needed in this country? Besides some clown who needs to get his rocks off shooting up a target is there really a need for an AR-15 with 100 round clips?



    Thats a pretty disrespectful statement to make. To each his own. I think thats the whole idea about protecting individual liberties. If some "clown" wants to "get his rocks off shooting up a target" the he should be free to do so. There are plenty of other dangerous hobbies out there. Like backyard swimming. How about all of the poor kids who drown in backyard swimming pools?


    James,
    Just a quick question and it is meant to be serious....Where do you stand on gay marriage, legalized drug use, prostitution etc?
    I'd just like to know if you are consistent in your thought process


    If there are to be unions of 2 people endorsed by the government, so long as they are both able minded consenting adults, the government should not be deciding whom may or may not enter into these unions. I think that prohibition on drugs is ineffective, and has a whole host of negative consequences. I think the prohibition should be gradually and carefully relaxed. Prostitution - I think that illegal prostitution is more damaging to society than would be if legalized.

    And as far as gun control - in all seriousness - these mass murders are terrible - they dont happen that often. I think there are arguments to make for gun control, I think these mass murders are a stupid reason to use to back them up.

    Mexico has super strict gun control and they have mass murders daily. Bad people do bad things


    Hey Steve, I like a man who is consistent in his thought process, and James is. I was expecting a selective Libertarian, but to his credit, James proved me wrong



  23. Canedo Alberto J
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    7/25/2012 8:07 AM
    The US Marshall will now be sent in to sit and watch movies. Just like they do on a majority of the daily air flights. I think I will be packing my AK47 every day now. Just in case I need it to protect me from ex-employees. I don't worry about crazies at all. No weapons needed. Too many wacos in this world. :mrgreen:



  24. James Smith
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    7/25/2012 2:07 PM
    OK I do not carry a gun but own a few from pistols to rifles and shotguns. I do not shoot often but prize my guns since I have had them a long time or they have been in my family for even longer.

    I believe that persons that carry a gun legally have had at least basic training in these weapons for self defense. These conceled weapon courses try to teach these people right from wrong. We generally do not see too many cases of these people killing other on a whim. While I do not like seeing people with a guns on their side in public I can say I do feel a little safer thinking they may have some law experience. More then me anyway.



  25. Andy Jorgensen
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    7/25/2012 4:07 PM
    [img">http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/andyjorg/NoGuns.jpg[/img">



  26. McCallum David K
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    7/26/2012 8:07 AM
    Andy that was just wrong to post that cartoon........the wrath of Iowa will befall you soon.

    I guess we need to ban mail room clerks soon as well........the document sent to one of his professors sat for over a week unopened, undelivered in the university mail room with all the details of what he was planning on doing. Colorado law states he mental health professional must report such info immediately to the police upon receiving it..............ban all mail clerks today.............he could have prevented it!



  27. Steve Nelson
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    7/26/2012 10:07 AM
    I own a gun and have no problem with reasonable regulations on firearms. People don't need 100 round clips, tactical body armor or gas canisters. There is a problem when John Q Public can outgun the cops. Forget about the old saying that gun regulations will ensure that only bad guys get guns. Most of these wackos were law abiding citizens until something in their lives went bad and they snapped under the stress. I realize that man has been killing man since the dawn of time and man will kill with or with out guns. But reasonable controls on assualt rifles and large capacity clips etc. can at least serve to limit the damage these people do.



  28. James Schmid
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    7/26/2012 12:07 PM
    Steve Nelson, CGCS said: I own a gun and have no problem with reasonable regulations on firearms. People don't need 100 round clips, tactical body armor or gas canisters. There is a problem when John Q Public can outgun the cops. Forget about the old saying that gun regulations will ensure that only bad guys get guns. Most of these wackos were law abiding citizens until something in their lives went bad and they snapped under the stress. I realize that man has been killing man since the dawn of time and man will kill with or with out guns. But reasonable controls on assualt rifles and large capacity clips etc. can at least serve to limit the damage these people do.


    So you're saying that if he had only had a 10 shot clip or 20 shot clip and had only killed 6 and injured 12 that would have been fine?

    What did body armor have to do with it? Sure he was wearing it, but nobody shot at him anyway, It didn't enable him to kill any more or fewer people.



  29. James Smith
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    7/26/2012 1:07 PM
    Steve Nelson, CGCS said: I own a gun and have no problem with reasonable regulations on firearms. People don't need 100 round clips, tactical body armor or gas canisters. There is a problem when John Q Public can outgun the cops. Forget about the old saying that gun regulations will ensure that only bad guys get guns. Most of these wackos were law abiding citizens until something in their lives went bad and they snapped under the stress. I realize that man has been killing man since the dawn of time and man will kill with or with out guns. But reasonable controls on assualt rifles and large capacity clips etc. can at least serve to limit the damage these people do.

    What I find interesting about this statement is that down here in New Orleans we get the same amount of people that were killed in the Colorado incedent, killed in N.O. in a two week span from thugs and gangsters. They got their guns illegal though so how is taking guns out of the John Q. Publics hands going to stop that mess. I do agree with the large clips and the body armor part though, next thing you know John Q. Public will be acquiring armor piercing rounds saying it is to protect themself from the waco.



  30. Niemier Rick A
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    7/26/2012 4:07 PM
    Andy Jorgensen said: [img">http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/andyjorg/NoGuns.jpg[/img">



    Well at least the criminals didn't have the opportunity to steal another gun that surely will end up being used in a crime, maybe even killing someone. Wonder how that would make someone feel, knowing the gun they carelessly left where someone had easy access to it was used to kill an innocent human being.

    Oh, and David, if you got a problem with me you can call me anytime you wish. I would gladly discuss with you any concerns you have with me. I doubt you will though, it's hard to use your gun for protection thru the phone. Oh, and don't send me any more racist e mails either.



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