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1. Clay Putnam

   

   33 posts
   
   11/23/2011 7:11 AM

   I'm not a hunter. Never have been although I have gone along on hunts as a spectator. I can't bring myself to shoot a deer, but that's me. I look at hunting as one of those necessary things that I just don't care to do. I couldn't care less if a person hunts or mounts a head on a wall. I think it's weird to mount a head on a wall, but again, that's just me. Deer hunting seems to be necessary. As I understand it, the deer population today is higher than at any other time in recorded history. How long have they been counting deer anyway? The deer hunter says deer over population is a problem. Creates disease and starvation, etc. The alternative to hunting is not to hunt. Then do we have a massive over population of deer leaving us with ticks sucking blood from our eyes? Look at the out-of-control geese population as an example. Now there is worthy eradication! In the end, I side with the hunters. Shoot away. Don't shoot in my direction. And poach all the geese you can then shoot 10 more.

   
   
   
   
2. Chris Wiedenmeyer

   

   0 posts
   
   11/23/2011 7:11 AM

   Not suggesting you learn anything from me on the web, just post your worthless comments on a site with other narrow minded people who refuse to listen to anyone elses views. I am sure peta has sponsored sites out there. Sorry for the error in spelling, guess it happens to all of us.

   
   
   
   
3. Clay Putnam

   

   33 posts
   
   11/23/2011 8:11 AM

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4. Peter Bowman

   

   11 posts
   
   11/23/2011 8:11 AM

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5. Andy Jorgensen

   

   1 posts
   
   11/23/2011 8:11 AM

   conard said: Here's some food for thought and don't get all ruffled...
   
   "The measure of a society can be how well its people treat its animals." ~ Mohandas Gandhi.
   
   

   
   
   "You shouldn't believe every quote you read on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln

   
   
   
   
6. Ronald Conard

   

   4 posts
   
   11/23/2011 8:11 AM

   putnam said: I'm not a hunter. Never have been although I have gone along on hunts as a spectator. I can't bring myself to shoot a deer, but that's me. I look at hunting as one of those necessary things that I just don't care to do. I couldn't care less if a person hunts or mounts a head on a wall. I think it's weird to mount a head on a wall, but again, that's just me. Deer hunting seems to be necessary. As I understand it, the deer population today is higher than at any other time in recorded history. How long have they been counting deer anyway? The deer hunter says deer over population is a problem. Creates disease and starvation, etc. The alternative to hunting is not to hunt. Then do we have a massive over population of deer leaving us with ticks sucking blood from our eyes? Look at the out-of-control geese population as an example. Now there is worthy eradication! In the end, I side with the hunters. Shoot away. Don't shoot in my direction. And poach all the geese you can then shoot 10 more.

   
   
   
   Nature will keep the balance. The problem came from us knocking out all the predators. In fact, where the wolf is left to do it's thing the entire eco-system, including the size and health of ungulates, is much healthier. The diversity of other species improves as the deer, elk, moose are "herded about" and don't overgraze a specific area.

   
   
   
   
7. Clay Putnam

   

   33 posts
   
   11/23/2011 9:11 AM

   conard said:

   putnam said: I'm not a hunter. Never have been although I have gone along on hunts as a spectator. I can't bring myself to shoot a deer, but that's me. I look at hunting as one of those necessary things that I just don't care to do. I couldn't care less if a person hunts or mounts a head on a wall. I think it's weird to mount a head on a wall, but again, that's just me. Deer hunting seems to be necessary. As I understand it, the deer population today is higher than at any other time in recorded history. How long have they been counting deer anyway? The deer hunter says deer over population is a problem. Creates disease and starvation, etc. The alternative to hunting is not to hunt. Then do we have a massive over population of deer leaving us with ticks sucking blood from our eyes? Look at the out-of-control geese population as an example. Now there is worthy eradication! In the end, I side with the hunters. Shoot away. Don't shoot in my direction. And poach all the geese you can then shoot 10 more.

   
   
   
   Nature will keep the balance. The problem came from us knocking out all the predators. In fact, where the wolf is left to do it's thing the entire eco-system, including the size and health of ungulates, is much healthier. The diversity of other species improves as the deer, elk, moose are "herded about" and don't overgraze a specific area.

   
   
   I think the natural balance thing would work if there were enough wolves, mountain lions and the like. There's not enough of them, are there? So that leaves us, right? Is it more humane to have a grizzly bear maul a deer or one of us to shoot a deer? Either way the population should be kept in check, right? So what the problem is? I don't get it.

   
   
   
   
8. Ronald Conard

   

   4 posts
   
   11/23/2011 10:11 AM

   putnam said:

   conard said:

   putnam said: I'm not a hunter. Never have been although I have gone along on hunts as a spectator. I can't bring myself to shoot a deer, but that's me. I look at hunting as one of those necessary things that I just don't care to do. I couldn't care less if a person hunts or mounts a head on a wall. I think it's weird to mount a head on a wall, but again, that's just me. Deer hunting seems to be necessary. As I understand it, the deer population today is higher than at any other time in recorded history. How long have they been counting deer anyway? The deer hunter says deer over population is a problem. Creates disease and starvation, etc. The alternative to hunting is not to hunt. Then do we have a massive over population of deer leaving us with ticks sucking blood from our eyes? Look at the out-of-control geese population as an example. Now there is worthy eradication! In the end, I side with the hunters. Shoot away. Don't shoot in my direction. And poach all the geese you can then shoot 10 more.

   
   
   
   Nature will keep the balance. The problem came from us knocking out all the predators. In fact, where the wolf is left to do it's thing the entire eco-system, including the size and health of ungulates, is much healthier. The diversity of other species improves as the deer, elk, moose are "herded about" and don't overgraze a specific area.

   
   
   I think the natural balance thing would work if there were enough wolves, mountain lions and the like. There's not enough of them, are there? So that leaves us, right? Is it more humane to have a grizzly bear maul a deer or one of us to shoot a deer? Either way the population should be kept in check, right? So what the problem is? I don't get it.

   
   
   I think I stated I couldn't less want somebody else does in this regard, just like you. I'm not going to stop it, so I really don't get in a bunch over it. However, we don't provide the overall benefit of predators. Maybe if we took care of them better but....
   
   More importantly what does the whole process do to the mindset of the individual and how does that eventually manifest itself on society? I don't know, but it is any interesting question. It's only a question.
   
   I work with a hunter who will go out on weekends and shoot as many coyotes as possible, leaving them on the prairie, simply for kicks. Aside for screwing the predator /prey relationship, what is the damage to his ability to empathise with the suffering of another being. How is this different that shooting a domestic dog? We were all up in arms with Michael Vick, right? It's quite possible a slippery slope as one becomes desensitized.

   
   
   
   
9. Clay Putnam

   

   33 posts
   
   11/23/2011 10:11 AM

   conard said:

   putnam said:

   conard said:

   putnam said: I'm not a hunter. Never have been although I have gone along on hunts as a spectator. I can't bring myself to shoot a deer, but that's me. I look at hunting as one of those necessary things that I just don't care to do. I couldn't care less if a person hunts or mounts a head on a wall. I think it's weird to mount a head on a wall, but again, that's just me. Deer hunting seems to be necessary. As I understand it, the deer population today is higher than at any other time in recorded history. How long have they been counting deer anyway? The deer hunter says deer over population is a problem. Creates disease and starvation, etc. The alternative to hunting is not to hunt. Then do we have a massive over population of deer leaving us with ticks sucking blood from our eyes? Look at the out-of-control geese population as an example. Now there is worthy eradication! In the end, I side with the hunters. Shoot away. Don't shoot in my direction. And poach all the geese you can then shoot 10 more.

   
   
   
   Nature will keep the balance. The problem came from us knocking out all the predators. In fact, where the wolf is left to do it's thing the entire eco-system, including the size and health of ungulates, is much healthier. The diversity of other species improves as the deer, elk, moose are "herded about" and don't overgraze a specific area.

   
   
   I think the natural balance thing would work if there were enough wolves, mountain lions and the like. There's not enough of them, are there? So that leaves us, right? Is it more humane to have a grizzly bear maul a deer or one of us to shoot a deer? Either way the population should be kept in check, right? So what the problem is? I don't get it.

   
   
   I think I stated I couldn't less want somebody else does in this regard, just like you. I'm not going to stop it, so I really don't get in a bunch over it. However, we don't provide the overall benefit of predators. Maybe if we took care of them better but....
   
   More importantly what does the whole process do to the mindset of the individual and how does that eventually manifest itself on society? I don't know, but it is any interesting question. It's only a question.
   
   I work with a hunter who will go out on weekends and shoot as many coyotes as possible, leaving them on the prairie, simply for kicks. Aside for screwing the predator /prey relationship, what is the damage to his ability to empathise with the suffering of another being. How is this different that shooting a domestic dog? We were all up in arms with Michael Vick, right? It's quite possible a slippery slope as one becomes desensitized.

   
   
   Points well taken. I think most hunters (don't know for sure) respect the hunt, so to speak. Ya know, they follow the rules. Unlike the the guy you work with who kills for the sake of nothing better to do. I would agree that he has the mentality of a caveman.

   
   
   
   
10. Curtis Nickerson

    

    0 posts
    
    11/23/2011 11:11 AM

    Please forgive me, but if one partakes in the eating of meat (of any kind) feels they have the moral authority to speak of the humanity of hunting is a joke... Have you every watched how commercial packing houses and meat plants operate... And for all you vegetarians out there, think of all the worms, bugs and other creatures that are killed and displaced with the tiller and plow...Talk about senseless killing....
    
    And Ron, I wasn't smirking, and that isn't blood is was Kool-aid ( i try not to drink it)

    
    
    
    
11. Curtis Nickerson

    

    0 posts
    
    11/23/2011 11:11 AM

    I have seen the light, the error of my ways. I have removed the offensive picture, sold all of my guns and archery equipment and I am no longer eating meat (my Dr. and the first lady will be happy)
    
    With the funds from the sale of my stuff I have purchased a hydroponic grow tank to grow totally organic veggies!
    
    I am now ashamed that the animals I hunted feed hundreds of homeless people. (my state has a hunters for the homeless program. They clearly lied and said it was good of us to donate the meat and help control the deer population. They said they would have run out of meat a 1/3 of the way through last season without the contributions of the hunters (more lies I'm sure).
    Please forgive me wont you…
    
    C'mon guys, our great nation is falling apart all around us and life is short, lets not take this kind of stuff to serious…I mean really

    
    
    
    
12. McCallum David K

    
    11/23/2011 12:11 PM

    Cretinous.....wow nice word Ron. Will have to think if I can work that into my next round of golf against one of my fellow combatants........I like it.

    
    
    
    
13. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    11/23/2011 12:11 PM

    McCallum said: Cretinous.....wow nice word Ron. Will have to think if I can work that into my next round of golf against one of my fellow combatants........I like it.

    
    
    David, maybe that guy that doesn't get that 3 iron airborne and takes out a squirrel...have to say it's happened to me before.
    
    I have a story about a goose for some other time.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
14. Wahlin Scott B

    
    11/23/2011 1:11 PM

    cnickerson said: I have seen the light, the error of my ways. I have removed the offensive picture, sold all of my guns and archery equipment and I am no longer eating meat (my Dr. and the first lady will be happy)
    
    With the funds from the sale of my stuff I have purchased a hydroponic grow tank to grow totally organic veggies!
    
    I am now ashamed that the animals I hunted feed hundreds of homeless people. (my state has a hunters for the homeless program. They clearly lied and said it was good of us to donate the meat and help control the deer population. They said they would have run out of meat a 1/3 of the way through last season without the contributions of the hunters (more lies I'm sure).
    Please forgive me wont you…
    
    C'mon guys, our great nation is falling apart all around us and life is short, lets not take this kind of stuff to serious…I mean really

    
    
    I would have to guess that the majority of the people who saw that picture were not offended. If you eat meat do not talk to me about the negatives of hunting. I have killed and dressed a lot of feral hogs who were tearing up golf courses I was managing. The crews of those golf courses ate them and this was a significant part of their compensation.

    
    
    
    
15. Wallace Jeffrey V

    
    11/23/2011 7:11 PM

    chris15 said: Not suggesting you learn anything from me on the web, just post your worthless comments on a site with other narrow minded people who refuse to listen to anyone elses views. I am sure peta has sponsored sites out there. Sorry for the error in spelling, guess it happens to all of us.

    
    
    Gee....didn't mean to start a war here. I was just using your post so that I could call you an idiot. And my comments are not worthless....they mean the world to me. So I guess that makes them priceless.....in my own mind. I know Putnam and Bowman and.....well, the list is too long.....hang on my every word(s). And I appreciate that.
    
    You seem to be fixated on PETA. Why? Are you a closet member? And no...spelling errors only happen to people who don't use spell check. I could explain to you how you access that, but I prefer to have you look it up on the "web". Also, since you are using "else" in a possessive form, it should be "else's", not "elses". Am I driving you crazy? Good. I'm having fun.....
    
    By the way.....who ARE you? I mean besides "chris15"? Did your parents actually name you that? I'm betting you got beat up a lot in school.
    
    Happy Thanksgiving. And none of that store stuff. Find a wild one, twist its head off, and smear the blood all over your face. And if you need to.....go ahead and beat your chest. You can grunt if you want to. You'll look stupid, but do it anyway. Please post a video.
    
    If you're really starting to hate me, don't worry. Kurta, Huff, and many others despise me. It's a balancing act. Of course, I consider them judgmental, but that is a topic for another day.
    
    Cheers.....

    
    
    
    
16. Wallace Jeffrey V

    
    11/23/2011 7:11 PM

    putnam said:

    conard said:

    putnam said:

    conard said:

    putnam said: I'm not a hunter. Never have been although I have gone along on hunts as a spectator. I can't bring myself to shoot a deer, but that's me. I look at hunting as one of those necessary things that I just don't care to do. I couldn't care less if a person hunts or mounts a head on a wall. I think it's weird to mount a head on a wall, but again, that's just me. Deer hunting seems to be necessary. As I understand it, the deer population today is higher than at any other time in recorded history. How long have they been counting deer anyway? The deer hunter says deer over population is a problem. Creates disease and starvation, etc. The alternative to hunting is not to hunt. Then do we have a massive over population of deer leaving us with ticks sucking blood from our eyes? Look at the out-of-control geese population as an example. Now there is worthy eradication! In the end, I side with the hunters. Shoot away. Don't shoot in my direction. And poach all the geese you can then shoot 10 more.

    
    
    
    Nature will keep the balance. The problem came from us knocking out all the predators. In fact, where the wolf is left to do it's thing the entire eco-system, including the size and health of ungulates, is much healthier. The diversity of other species improves as the deer, elk, moose are "herded about" and don't overgraze a specific area.

    
    
    I think the natural balance thing would work if there were enough wolves, mountain lions and the like. There's not enough of them, are there? So that leaves us, right? Is it more humane to have a grizzly bear maul a deer or one of us to shoot a deer? Either way the population should be kept in check, right? So what the problem is? I don't get it.

    
    
    I think I stated I couldn't less want somebody else does in this regard, just like you. I'm not going to stop it, so I really don't get in a bunch over it. However, we don't provide the overall benefit of predators. Maybe if we took care of them better but....
    
    More importantly what does the whole process do to the mindset of the individual and how does that eventually manifest itself on society? I don't know, but it is any interesting question. It's only a question.
    
    I work with a hunter who will go out on weekends and shoot as many coyotes as possible, leaving them on the prairie, simply for kicks. Aside for screwing the predator /prey relationship, what is the damage to his ability to empathise with the suffering of another being. How is this different that shooting a domestic dog? We were all up in arms with Michael Vick, right? It's quite possible a slippery slope as one becomes desensitized.

    
    
    Points well taken. I think most hunters (don't know for sure) respect the hunt, so to speak. Ya know, they follow the rules. Unlike the the guy you work with who kills for the sake of nothing better to do. I would agree that he has the mentality of a caveman.

    
    
    Clay, good post. If someone hunts to have food, then go for it. It's the idiots who hunt for "fun", just so they can have their ugly mug in a photo......that make me sick. Proudly showing off their kill, like some city dwelling, wannabe "hunter", makes me wish that the photo showed them gored, bleeding out, and crying for their mothers. But that's just me....

    
    
    
    
17. Wahlin Scott B

    
    11/23/2011 7:11 PM

    wallacej said: Clay, good post. If someone hunts to have food, then go for it. It's the idiots who hunt for "fun", just so they can have their ugly mug in a photo......that make me sick. Proudly showing off their kill, like some city dwelling, wannabe "hunter", makes me wish that the photo showed them gored, bleeding out, and crying for their mothers. But that's just me....

    
    
    It is hard to understand the willingness to talk about and actually kill humans coming from someone who is so much against killing wildlife. My Dad shot a guy trying to break into our house. The guy got away, but they located him later at the hospital. He took the .32 caliber bullet in the right side of his chest. My father bought a bigger gun after that.

    
    
    
    
18. Wallace Jeffrey V

    
    11/23/2011 8:11 PM

    wahlins said:

    wallacej said: Clay, good post. If someone hunts to have food, then go for it. It's the idiots who hunt for "fun", just so they can have their ugly mug in a photo......that make me sick. Proudly showing off their kill, like some city dwelling, wannabe "hunter", makes me wish that the photo showed them gored, bleeding out, and crying for their mothers. But that's just me....

    
    
    It is hard to understand the willingness to talk about and actually kill humans coming from someone who is so much against killing wildlife. My Dad shot a guy trying to break into our house. The guy got away, but they located him later at the hospital. He took the .32 caliber bullet in the right side of his chest. My father bought a bigger gun after that.

    
    
    Scott,
    
    I haven't killed any humans.....this week. What is your point? I just like the movie "Bambi".

    
    
    
    
19. Wahlin Scott B

    
    11/23/2011 9:11 PM

    wallacej said:
    
    Scott,
    
    I haven't killed any humans.....this week. What is your point? I just like the movie "Bambi".

    
    
    On a personal note, it hurt me that my Dad was so upset with me for killing wildlife. I felt sure that I would serve in the infantry, that was how I was raised. Killing a pig, or a dove, or a deer... it was just their time. I killed my first pig in 1970. The Vietnam War was still very active. Even though it did not happen, at that point in my life I knew I was going. Why was it okay to kill people for security, but it was not okay to kill a feral hog for food?

    
    
    
    
20. Alexander Joseph E

    
    11/23/2011 9:11 PM

    Drink a beer for me won't ya! Oh yeah, and don't forget who loves you.

    
    
    
    
21. McCallum David K

    
    11/30/2011 7:11 AM

    Andy thanks very much for answering that age old question..........it was in fact a republican, Abe Lincoln who invented the internet and not a democrat, Algore.

    
    
    
    
22. Chris Hickman

    

    0 posts
    
    12/9/2011 9:12 AM

    reinha42 said: This years buck, killed Sept. 17, killed in Fulton County, Georgia.
    
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    Deep into the hunting season here in Iowa, this picture makes me chuckle because you are hunting in a T-SHIRT, and the deer looks like one of those weird cats that have no fur. Nice looking buck though Patrick!

    
    
    
    
23. Patrick Reinhardt

    

    0 posts
    
    12/9/2011 10:12 AM

    In fairness, I didn't actually hunt in the t-Shirt, but it was in the mid-70s so the long sleeve-T came off during the drag. It's funny looking at the deer on the wall from Georgia, versus the ones from Michigan. Even my late season bucks from Georgia have shorter hair than the early season Michigan bucks.

    
    
    
    
24. Wahlin Scott B

    
    12/14/2011 3:12 PM

    wallacej said: Personally, I think "hunters" have major insecurity problems.

    
    
    Hey! We in Murica have a right to bear arms!
    
    [img">http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/scottcgcs/beararms.jpg[/img">

    
    
    
    
25. Steven Huffstutler

    

    11 posts
    
    12/16/2011 4:12 PM

    We have a right to arm bears. I mean....bare our arms...I mean........never mind.
    
    I like to kill and eat stuff. I also like to buy and eat dead stuff in the store that other people have killed. The only difference between the two is who did the killing and the fact that I get to keep a small arsenal in the house and worry the neighbors by making my own ammunition, I guess.

    
    
    
    
26. Clay Putnam

    

    33 posts
    
    12/19/2011 6:12 PM

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