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  1. Sandy Clark
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    9/26/2012 9:09 AM
    Besides cleaning up voter fraud nationally, including the great New York Florida link, I personally think it is time you have to pass a simple test to be eligible to vote. The questions would be quite simple with no bias. Name the current president, vice president and one supreme court justice. Name the two or three candidates running for president. Name two candidates that have been selected to run for vice president. Name one U.S. congressman and senator from your state. After hearing replays of Howard Sterns thing the other day, it is obvious that way too many are just too stupid to vote. Local radio and some national TV personalities have done the same types of man in the street interviews. It is real obvious that many should simply not consider voting for anyone or any cause. They should just go back to watching Jerry Springer and not harm the rest of us by thinking!



  2. Melvin Waldron
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    9/26/2012 10:09 AM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Besides cleaning up voter fraud nationally, including the great New York Florida link, I personally think it is time you have to pass a simple test to be eligible to vote. The questions would be quite simple with no bias. Name the current president, vice president and one supreme court justice. Name the two or three candidates running for president. Name two candidates that have been selected to run for vice president. Name one U.S. congressman and senator from your state. After hearing replays of Howard Sterns thing the other day, it is obvious that way too many are just too stupid to vote. Local radio and some national TV personalities have done the same types of man in the street interviews. It is real obvious that many should simply not consider voting for anyone or any cause. They should just go back to watching Jerry Springer and not harm the rest of us by thinking!


    Great Sandy, take it back to the Jim Crow era. Why don't we just charge a poll tax. Hey for $1000 you can vote, might be Gov. Romney's best chance to win, then those guys that keep pumping money into SuperPacs wouldn't have to spend millions on ads, just the $1,000 to vote.

    While it is a shame that people don't know the answers to those questions you pose, that is probably another issue for another day, in most cases those people probably don't even vote. But wasn't this country founded on "We the People" Not "We the smart people, hey not you ignorant people can't vote etc. etc." Heck if we go by ignorant, there are probably many "talking heads" and some politicians would not be eligible to vote.

    In my opinion, everyone that complies with the applicable laws should be allowed to vote. I have no problem with convected criminals not voting, although after they have paid their debt to society I believe they may have that right back. I know there is a debate that voting is a right, while others say it is a privilege, I think we have the right to vote, it is a privilege that we do vote.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  3. Albert Kronwall
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    9/26/2012 10:09 AM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Albert Kronwall said: If you going to do a job, do it properly not half-crocked....when veterans who have served this country (and in my opinion defended our opportunity to vote) get taken off the voting rolls, even one is too many and is flat out bear soap.


    Wisconsin GAB strikes again, this time against our military personnel over seas. Fortunately someone from outside of government is watching.
    The FVAB website incorrectly stated ballots must be returned by November 16. The actual deadline is 4 p.m. November 9. Any military ballots received in that intervening week would not have been counted by local and state election officials.

    Any outsider would think this is a simple typo, but if you have paid attention to the antics of the GAB you realize that this is how they operate.
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... r-Deadline



  4. McCallum David K
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    9/26/2012 1:09 PM
    Hmmmmmm a test to become certified, a test to check competance to apply pesticides, a test to pass from the 4th grade to the 5th, a test to obtain a CDL, even a test for a basic drivers license maybe a test to vote is a good idea after all.....but no charge for the test.........it's free. And Mel $1000 is way to expensive to vote. In Baton Rouge years ago we had a city councilman that merely provided a $5 bill under the two piece chicken dinner in the van ride to the polls.....but no test. The sample ballot was clearly marked.



  5. Melvin Waldron
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    9/26/2012 2:09 PM
    Albert Kronwall said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Albert Kronwall said: If you going to do a job, do it properly not half-crocked....when veterans who have served this country (and in my opinion defended our opportunity to vote) get taken off the voting rolls, even one is too many and is flat out bear soap.


    Wisconsin GAB strikes again, this time against our military personnel over seas. Fortunately someone from outside of government is watching.
    The FVAB website incorrectly stated ballots must be returned by November 16. The actual deadline is 4 p.m. November 9. Any military ballots received in that intervening week would not have been counted by local and state election officials.

    Any outsider would think this is a simple typo, but if you have paid attention to the antics of the GAB you realize that this is how they operate.
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... r-Deadline


    Quick question, if the election is held on November 6th, the absentee ballots aren't due until November 9th (the corrected date) Isn't that after the election is over and someone has probably been declared a winner anyway? Unless it is that close I have heard absentee ballots aren't counted at all. (which I think is wrong) but how does that work? Do they track how many ballots are out there and if they don't equal the difference between what has already been casts they don't use?

    I was also surprised that the last date if I remember correctly to ask for one is November 2nd, is the post office that efficient to get the ballot to it's intended recipient and them to get it back in time for the deadline?

    Just wanting to understand how that all is working, as for the GAB, maybe that's what happens when you make government smaller, nobody to double check the dates? (I know they should be accountable for their work but who's to say? Maybe that's why they haven't been able to investigate cases of voter fraud not enough help?)

    David, so that's what the president is going to do with my $5 donation? Heck if I win, he doesn't know what that is going to cost him the way I can pack it in. I might take Peach with me, between the two of us, we could put his campaign in debt we don't eat chicken.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  6. James Schmid
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    9/26/2012 3:09 PM
    [quote">But wasn't this country founded on "We the People" Not "We the smart people, hey not you ignorant people can't vote etc. etc." Heck if we go by ignorant, there are probably many "talking heads" and some politicians would not be eligible to vote.

    Mel

    No it wasn't founded on that. Only white men were allowed to vote when the country was founded. No women. No Indians. No Blacks. Nobody else, only white men. Universal voting protected by the constitution isn't even 100 years old yet.

    I'm with Sandy. The world is a complex place nowadays, there aren't very many who know what is in their best interest anymore. I'm not saying that they don't know what is good for them, I am saying that very few among us are able to understand complex international relationships and such, and what the actual ramifications of policy decisions are.

    I think that if someone wants to vote they should work to earn that right, by working to posess at least a minimal understanding of the world we live in. Why should we give those rights away for free to those who don't want to work to earn them? Educating yourself is patriotic.



  7. Stephen Okula
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    9/26/2012 3:09 PM
    James Schmid said: [quote">But wasn't this country founded on "We the People" Not "We the smart people, hey not you ignorant people can't vote etc. etc." Heck if we go by ignorant, there are probably many "talking heads" and some politicians would not be eligible to vote.


    Mel

    No it wasn't founded on that. Only white men were allowed to vote when the country was founded. No women. No Indians. No Blacks. Nobody else, only white men. Universal voting protected by the constitution isn't even 100 years old yet.

    It was only white male land owners who were allowed to vote.



  8. Melvin Waldron
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    9/26/2012 8:09 PM
    James Schmid said: [quote">But wasn't this country founded on "We the People" Not "We the smart people, hey not you ignorant people can't vote etc. etc." Heck if we go by ignorant, there are probably many "talking heads" and some politicians would not be eligible to vote.


    Mel

    No it wasn't founded on that. Only white men were allowed to vote when the country was founded. No women. No Indians. No Blacks. Nobody else, only white men. Universal voting protected by the constitution isn't even 100 years old yet.

    I'm with Sandy. The world is a complex place nowadays, there aren't very many who know what is in their best interest anymore. I'm not saying that they don't know what is good for them, I am saying that very few among us are able to understand complex international relationships and such, and what the actual ramifications of policy decisions are.
    I think that if someone wants to vote they should work to earn that right, by working to posess at least a minimal understanding of the world we live in. Why should we give those rights away for free to those who don't want to work to earn them? Educating yourself is patriotic.

    Are you kidding me? If we really are to think that way because the world is so complex then even most of us on this forum shouldn't be voting.

    I can agree that because we don't have the time and resources to really study all the issues, and even politicians of both sides might not be aware of all the ramifications of policy decisions, heck look at the housing crisis, many of course will blame President Bush and the manipulations the banks were able to do with housing loans, and some will point it goes back to President Clinton working on the premise that everyone should own a home. Banks made loans that they knew people couldn't afford and then bundled and sold those loans. I'm sure both policies that both presidents promoted played a role in it.

    Maybe only the military should be voting, they really are the ones that defend our right and privilege to vote. Of course maybe we should stop cutting school budgets and then maybe we could provide some of the education needed to understand the world, or maybe only college educated people should vote? I'm sure that would scare the pants off some of you as they would have all be indoctrinated by those liberal professors.

    I think my head just exploded.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  9. McCallum David K
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    9/27/2012 6:09 AM
    Steve that was before the CIVIL WAR correct? lol
    Mel I will eat all of your's and Tracy chicken..........chicken eating fool here.......must be a southern thing. And Mel as a vet I will cast a vote for both of us basically cancelling one another out as we now do.



  10. Melvin Waldron
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    9/27/2012 8:09 AM
    David, it depends on the chicken, if it's fried, I would start with a bucket, but I'm sure that grease would have made the sample ballots un-legible?

    If we follow some of our suggestions, I wouldn't be able to cancel out your vote since I only have an A.S. Of course due to the electoral college our votes don't cancel each other out anyway.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  11. James Schmid
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    9/27/2012 11:09 AM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Are you kidding me? If we really are to think that way because the world is so complex then even most of us on this forum shouldn't be voting. What I meant was that there are many in our society don't have a clue whats going on, and as such are not prepared to make choices that affect those things. I was not specifically referring to the forum here.

    I can agree that because we don't have the time and resources to really study all the issues, and even politicians of both sides might not be aware of all the ramifications of policy decisions, heck look at the housing crisis, many of course will blame President Bush and the manipulations the banks were able to do with housing loans, and some will point it goes back to President Clinton working on the premise that everyone should own a home. Banks made loans that they knew people couldn't afford and then bundled and sold those loans. I'm sure both policies that both presidents promoted played a role in it.

    Maybe only the military should be voting, they really are the ones that defend our right and privilege to vote. Mel - I have a deep respect for the military and what they do - their personal sacrifices indeed defend our republic. It takes a lot more than those individuals to produce that result. The reason that we are the dominant military force on the planet is plain and simple, MONEY. We have outspent everybody in the world over the past 50 years on technology, education, research, and equipment by a large margin. We need first and foremost to be an economic powerhouse. That enables us to do everything else that we do. I don't think that people realize that, and they vote based on silly things like party lines, social issues, or other stuff. I'm not saying that there are not other important issues to solve, but I am saying that they aren't going to get solved if we are broke - and even if they do, nobody is going to be happy anyway, because we will all be broke.



    Of course maybe we should stop cutting school budgets and then maybe we could provide some of the education needed to understand the world, or maybe only college educated people should vote? I'm sure that would scare the pants off some of you as they would have all be indoctrinated by those liberal professors.

    I think my head just exploded.

    Mel



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