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  1. Steven Kurta
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    5/6/2012 10:05 AM
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501363_162-57428686/whos-who-obama-romney-projecting-mirror-image/

    Cut to Novemeber: As usual, it's a fight for the middle. Hardcore's on the left and right never budge and nobody is listening to them anymore because they sound like idiotic broken records (HINT).

    I'm thinking more than ever, even more than four years ago, the college student vote is going to make or break a lot more states like it did in NC last election. I think the young twenty-somethings aren't having any of what the parties are trotting out, not in a wholesale fashion anyhow. They'll look up their own facts. Unfortunately, for the repubs, they're better connected to facts on the environment and more in touch with the idea of a world community than any generation before them, thanks to the intertubes. The kids, they're more informed than we were, at the same age, I hate to say it.

    My prediction is another four for Obama because the timing is right for him. He'll win because people love him and want him to do well. And I qualify 'people' as people who love beleaguered underdogs. People want to see him pull off what he's aiming to do. My opinion takes into account the folks who think he's just the worst thing ever and will ruin this country for the next 50 years -- we all know you hate him and disagree with everything he's about. There's just not enough of you to make a big enough dent this time around - my opinion.
    Romney is hard up against it that way. Nobody (as we saw in the republican race) in his own party even likes him let alone is he trusted by younger voters. He's Bush lite.

    I just don't think there's enough of the type of fear and hate, intense as it is, to really push Obama off his trajectory. Plus those that are really bent out of shape about having a more socially sensitive black president will be dead soon, or at least aren't having offspring anymore. Their mindset is waning and will ultimately fizzle away like all malformed ideologies do.

    And I'll go ahead and qualify "malformed ideologies" as the way of thinking that doesn't take the entire planet into consideration when forming economic, social, and political policies that govern ALL the people you've been voted in to govern. ALL the people includes the rich as well as the poor



  2. Robert Crockett
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    5/6/2012 11:05 AM
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  3. Steven Kurta
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    5/6/2012 11:05 AM
    And one more thing, the whole gay marriage thing -- the issue needs to be dropped by the right if they hope to make this a competition. It's hurts them because it's associates them with the religious right. And like it or not, if you're associated with the religious right, you need to keep that to yourself this year. 2012 isn't about you and your righteousness.
    I don't have any hard numbers, or any numbers, other than what I see, hear and read. And I see most people in the political middle seem like they're over this issue. They don't care. It's solely the religious right and hard right fundies who this matters to -- and they're going to vote red no matter what.

    And if conservative thinking is truly about the government staying out of people's personal lives...then dur. The RNC needs to cut their losses on this before they make it worse.
    It isn't about adding costs due to spousal benefits or any other baloney, it's about gayness being against "God's will" and that kind of talk this day and age scares moderates. Just a heads up.



  4. Steven Kurta
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    5/6/2012 11:05 AM
    Yeah, I hear you Bob, But I don't think any of those things you mentioned are, of themselves, bad things. If you think about how far we've come from relative cultural isolation from early human civilizations that knew nothing of each other let alone continents (or a planet in a solar system for that matter) to a small and globally functional (as we are) today -- then you can see how the progression is going. It's a romantic notion patriotism is. But if you look back through history you can extrapolate where we're going with it all.

    We can sit here all day and say what we want of man's ills and societies short-comings, but I think in the end we all know where we're going to end up as a species and by then we'll all be long dead as will our great great grand children.
    But the choice we do have is how we end up getting there and who's in charge once we get there. I think any and all steps that ensure that the the most free minds and ideas are encouraged rather than stepped on is going to win the eventual day. It's called progress and we ,as a species, are exceedigly good at it.



  5. Keith Lamb
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    5/6/2012 12:05 PM
    Robert Crockett said: I feel like a minority in my own country and quite frankly, I believe I am.


    Keeping score like that will get you nowhere.



  6. Wahlin Scott B
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    5/6/2012 12:05 PM
    I am sure I am considered a hardcore who should take the hint, but if somebody identifies them self as religious it is very unlikely they are going to be openly moderate or liberal. An active member of 96% of the churches (my opinion) based in Christ's teachings who are center to left are going to at least keep their opinions to themselves. There is just too much pressure from the hardcore right church members and pastors on the remainder of the flock.



  7. Robert Crockett
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    5/6/2012 1:05 PM
    Keith Lamb said:
    Robert Crockett said: I feel like a minority in my own country and quite frankly, I believe I am.


    Keeping score like that will get you nowhere.

    who said I was keeping score Keith...Don't drag me down man :)



  8. Robert Crockett
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    5/6/2012 2:05 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: I am sure I am considered a hardcore who should take the hint, but if somebody identifies them self as religious it is very unlikely they are going to be openly moderate or liberal. An active member of 96% of the churches (my opinion) based in Christ's teachings who are center to left are going to at least keep their opinions to themselves. There is just too much pressure from the hardcore right church members and pastors on the remainder of the flock.

    True That Scott.....Me myself am not out to burn opposing interests and beliefs or lifestyles at the stake for it either. I do get frustrated when it inflicts on my belief, interest and lifestyle though. However, that old saying "The Majority Rules" is as true as the sun shines. Politics and Religion can be just as dangerous as War itself. I think we generalize to much the categories we put our opposing parties in ..ie...Liberals, Conservatives, Left, Right and such, that if you hear someone is of that nature you automatically think their of the die hard mindset that has been characterized by the media and other public influence in general. I sure hope that at some point soon that the People speak loudly enough to break the boundaries that set us apart.



  9. Keith Lamb
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    5/6/2012 4:05 PM
    Robert Crockett said:
    Keith Lamb said:
    Robert Crockett said: I feel like a minority in my own country and quite frankly, I believe I am.


    Keeping score like that will get you nowhere.

    who said I was keeping score Keith...Don't drag me down man :)


    Just wondering why it makes a difference. Is it a ideological minority? Racial minority? Religious minority? It obviously bothers you since it was you who mentioned it.



  10. Robert Crockett
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    5/6/2012 9:05 PM
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  11. Steven Kurta
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    5/6/2012 11:05 PM
    Bob, It's business. You have a foreign labor force because business owners can get away with it. They can hire migrants and pay below minimum wage because they can. You're surrounded in a sea of foreign speaking people with their own customs because you invited them in. You invited them by electing people that make it easy for business owners to get away with paying them below average wage.

    I don't get patriot types who get all hot on protecting businesses that profit off of cheap foreign labor and in the same breath complain there's too many foreigners in their Walmart.
    What dots can't you connect here?



  12. Dennis Cook
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    5/7/2012 5:05 AM
    Keith Lamb said:
    Robert Crockett said: I feel like a minority in my own country and quite frankly, I believe I am.


    Keeping score like that will get you nowhere.


    Keeping score? The left is the one grouping everyone and making everything about class warfare and race. Maybe thats why he feels like a minority, because the left doesnt just look at people as who they are, they have to judge them by skin color, gender, sex, wealth, etc. And when they meet the lefts criteria, well then hell yeah they can be on the team.

    Sure would be nice if they looked at the human being first and tried to discover there potential.



  13. Larry Allan
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    5/7/2012 6:05 AM
    I'm likin' where this is going!



  14. Keith Lamb
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    5/7/2012 6:05 AM
    Dennis Cook said: Sure would be nice if they looked at the human being first and tried to discover there potential.


    Bingo.

    I'm getting closer to breaking the rule of my tagline.



  15. Melvin Waldron
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    5/7/2012 6:05 AM
    Dennis,

    I don't believe Robert would be leaning left, yet he was "keeping score", so I don't want to think this would be a right and left issue, especially if we take what you say at your word. Being more specific or with examples would be helpful. I do think both sides could and might keep score depending on the issues.

    I will give another example, we are a big republican area in SW. MO, we have a voter petition started by a bunch that wanted to force all businesses to use e-verify here in the city limits, it did pass. We haven't had immigration hiring issues, but the fear purposed by these people I am guessing that were on the right caused the vote to pass.

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  16. Jon Gansen
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    5/7/2012 7:05 AM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Dennis,

    I don't believe Robert would be leaning left, yet he was "keeping score", so I don't want to think this would be a right and left issue, especially if we take what you say at your word. Being more specific or with examples would be helpful. I do think both sides could and might keep score depending on the issues.

    I will give another example, we are a big republican area in SW. MO, we have a voter petition started by a bunch that wanted to force all businesses to use e-verify here in the city limits, it did pass. We haven't had immigration hiring issues, but the fear purposed by these people I am guessing that were on the right caused the vote to pass.



    I dont get it. Why is it wrong "invasion of privacy"? to use everything possible about the persons who you are hiring. Just like voter ID before you vote. It isnt based on fear but on common sense.

    On the election I think there are alot more people that realize we are going the wrong way in this country. POTUS will have a hard time being re-elected with unemployment, huge increase in debt. If the one thing that could make Romney appealing is his moderate past. POTUS has been divisive in respect to race, wealth and foreign policy. I dont think he is looked at as the underdog but as a underachiever. I think people want change from change.



  17. Melvin Waldron
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    5/7/2012 7:05 AM
    Jon,

    I brought up the issue of e-verify to try to show Dennis that I don't think it is a right or left issue on identify immigrants, legal or illegal. It has nothing to do with privacy in my opinion. I agree with some of what you are saying about knowing as much about an employee as possible. Our employer uses it, many large employers use it, some of the smaller businesses where complaining about it as to it added an extra layer of work to their already small resources. Funny, the right calling for smaller government to help build small businesses, yet they demanded this law that small businesses are complaining about. I know there are other examples that come from the left as well.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  18. Sandy Clark
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    5/7/2012 8:05 AM
    I don't think you will see the Romney campaign spending time on social issues. The entire message aimed at Obama will be economic. I don't think you will see him deviate from that because the social issues are too emotional and for every vote you gain, you lose another. He may not be that popular to some but to beat Obama, the entire Republican Party will support him and the economic issues will appeal to the independent voters. Obviously, I hope Romney wins but it will turn out to be a tight race with perhaps 1 or 2 points deciding the election.



  19. Robert Crockett
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    5/7/2012 10:05 AM
    Robert Crockett said: {This message has been removed in conjunction with GCSAA's forums policies.}

    Got me again...Gee thanks GCSAA...It would be nice if you guys would send me some info in regards to the reason, so I could deal with the possibilities of freedom of speech issues ;)



  20. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    5/7/2012 11:05 AM
    Keith Lamb said:
    Dennis Cook said: Sure would be nice if they looked at the human being first and tried to discover there potential.


    Bingo.

    I'm getting closer to breaking the rule of my tagline.


    Spelling Nazi.



  21. Larry Allan
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    5/7/2012 12:05 PM
    Robert Crockett said:
    Robert Crockett said: {This message has been removed in conjunction with GCSAA's forums policies.}

    Got me again...Gee thanks GCSAA...It would be nice if you guys would send me some info in regards to the reason, so I could deal with the possibilities of freedom of speech issues ;)


    I'm kinda disappointed they took it down too, Robert. I read it. Certainly nothing in it I found offensive. I'm not sure I understood a single point you were trying to make but I will defend your right to write whatever it was you wrote.

    PS. Jeffie, did I use the correct to,too,two?



  22. Keith Lamb
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    5/7/2012 12:05 PM
    Larry Allan said: PS. Jeffie, did I use the correct to,too,two?


    Why the Hell are you asking him? Geezus hoser!

    [size=85">(((((waiting for a ruling from J-Wall)))))[/size">



  23. Ronald Conard
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    5/7/2012 12:05 PM
    Yawn....this election is over. There will be four more years so no sense getting in a mental knot over it.



  24. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    5/7/2012 1:05 PM
    Keith Lamb said:
    Larry Allan said: PS. Jeffie, did I use the correct to,too,two?


    Why the Hell are you asking him? Geezus hoser!

    [size=85">(((((waiting for a ruling from J-Wall)))))[/size">


    Mr. Allan,

    Yes, and no. Your spelling was correct, but I am somewhat baffled by your lack of spaces after your commas. Please get off of the table and stop waving that Canadian flag. I've warned you before about decorum in my courtroom.

    Mr. Lamb,

    You are in contempt. Why? Because I can dew that. Power have I.

    J-Wall



  25. Larry Allan
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    5/7/2012 1:05 PM
    Keith Lamb said:
    Larry Allan said: PS. Jeffie, did I use the correct to,too,two?


    Why the Hell are you asking him? Geezus hoser!

    [size=85">(((((waiting for a ruling from J-Wall)))))[/size">


    I should have looked for your approval, Keith. My mistake. Jeffie has issues with Canada and its people after a cross border pepper spraying incident



  26. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    5/7/2012 1:05 PM
    Larry Allan said:

    I should have looked for your approval, Keith. My mistake. Jeffie has issues with Canada and its people after a cross border pepper spraying incident


    Five hundred dollars is not an "incident". It's highway robbery.



  27. Larry Allan
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    5/7/2012 2:05 PM
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said:
    Larry Allan said:

    I should have looked for your approval, Keith. My mistake. Jeffie has issues with Canada and its people after a cross border pepper spraying incident


    Five hundred dollars is not an "incident". It's highway robbery.


    One should always be aware, that when entering a sovereign nation, one much respect their laws and customs. I always do my best to become narrow minded and obnoxious when entering yours



  28. Keith Lamb
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    5/7/2012 2:05 PM
    Larry Allan said:
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said:
    Larry Allan said:

    I should have looked for your approval, Keith. My mistake. Jeffie has issues with Canada and its people after a cross border pepper spraying incident


    Five hundred dollars is not an "incident". It's highway robbery.


    One should always be aware, that when entering a sovereign nation, one much respect their laws and customs. I always do my best to become narrow minded and obnoxious when entering yours



    Two more yo yo's keeping score. Will it ever end?



  29. Robert Crockett
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    5/7/2012 3:05 PM
    Larry Allan said:
    Robert Crockett said:
    Robert Crockett said: {This message has been removed in conjunction with GCSAA's forums policies.}

    Got me again...Gee thanks GCSAA...It would be nice if you guys would send me some info in regards to the reason, so I could deal with the possibilities of freedom of speech issues ;)


    I'm kinda disappointed they took it down too, Robert. I read it. Certainly nothing in it I found offensive. I'm not sure I understood a single point you were trying to make but I will defend your right to write whatever it was you wrote.

    PS. Jeffie, did I use the correct to,too,two?

    I know :lol: I tend to write Parabolically. Sometimes...I don't even understand ;)



  30. Wahlin Scott B
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    5/7/2012 3:05 PM
    How long did the French try austerity? Now they have a far left president and 75% tax rates on the rich. I think the Koch Bros want to lose this one.



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