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  1. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    12/6/2013 7:12 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: The only better more efficient program than the ACA is actual government controlled single payer medical care; Medicaid and Medicare proves that.


    Wow, you are full on zombie hooked. I fear you will need to enter rehab the next time a republican wins the white house. The good news is obamacare will probably pay for the rehab... just after it pays for your pregnancy test.



  2. Wahlin Scott B
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    12/6/2013 9:12 AM
    Did I miss something? Is Medicaid and Medicare not working?



  3. Sandy Clark
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    12/6/2013 10:12 AM
    Scott, it isn't that they are not working but rather they are not so financially solvent. I think one area that has not been discussed too much is how the process goes after your visit to a doctor. It appears the mechanism for getting people paid doesn't even exist yet. The other problem is with the numbers of people reported signing up. They may think they have insurance but if they haven't received notification, it may still be nothing more than a sign up. Millions are still not accepted through the process yet even though they think they are. January may suddenly pop up with many that thought they were covered finding the process hasn't been completed all the way through the system. In other words, they will be without insurance. The government is still learning on the job with this thing the democrats created. That isn't a good thing when it comes to health care.



  4. Wahlin Scott B
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    12/7/2013 1:12 PM
    Two of the companies that have quoted me through the marketplace are Blue Cross Blue Shield and Cigna. I have purchased health insurance from both of these companies with no complaints. My impression is that they have this health insurance thing pretty much figured out.



  5. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    12/8/2013 8:12 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Scott, it isn't that they are not working but rather they are not so financially solvent. I think one area that has not been discussed too much is how the process goes after your visit to a doctor. It appears the mechanism for getting people paid doesn't even exist yet. The other problem is with the numbers of people reported signing up. They may think they have insurance but if they haven't received notification, it may still be nothing more than a sign up. Millions are still not accepted through the process yet even though they think they are. January may suddenly pop up with many that thought they were covered finding the process hasn't been completed all the way through the system. In other words, they will be without insurance. The government is still learning on the job with this thing the democrats created. That isn't a good thing when it comes to health care.


    Sandy,

    How can you say they do not have the payment deal figured out? They are private insurance companies that have been in business for years, if they don't know how to make payments, who has been making them all these years?

    All the ACA in its simplest form is a mechanism for people to buy insurance from insurance companies. It is suppose to protect consumers from being dropped from coverage when they get sick, and encourages preventive care to catch issues early saving money in treatments in the long run. Of course I know it isn't that simple.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  6. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    12/8/2013 8:12 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Scott, it isn't that they are not working but rather they are not so financially solvent. I think one area that has not been discussed too much is how the process goes after your visit to a doctor. It appears the mechanism for getting people paid doesn't even exist yet. The other problem is with the numbers of people reported signing up. They may think they have insurance but if they haven't received notification, it may still be nothing more than a sign up. Millions are still not accepted through the process yet even though they think they are. January may suddenly pop up with many that thought they were covered finding the process hasn't been completed all the way through the system. In other words, they will be without insurance. The government is still learning on the job with this thing the democrats created. That isn't a good thing when it comes to health care.


    Sandy,

    How can you say they do not have the payment deal figured out? They are private insurance companies that have been in business for years, if they don't know how to make payments, who has been making them all these years?

    All the ACA in its simplest form is a mechanism for people to buy insurance from insurance companies. It is suppose to protect consumers from being dropped from coverage when they get sick, and encourages preventive care to catch issues early saving money in treatments in the long run. Of course I know it isn't that simple.

    Mel


    Here ya go, Mel.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101211556?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=101211556%7CSenior+official+drops+Oba



  7. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    12/9/2013 7:12 AM
    The referenced story relates to a website issue and it is relatively old. You do not need the website to buy insurance.



  8. Curtis Nickerson
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    12/9/2013 7:12 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: The referenced story relates to a website issue and it is relatively old. You do not need the website to buy insurance.
    Good thing we only spent $600 million on then...



  9. Wahlin Scott B
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    12/9/2013 10:12 AM
    Curtis Nickerson said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: The referenced story relates to a website issue and it is relatively old. You do not need the website to buy insurance.
    Good thing we only spent $600 million on then...


    The website works fine right now with two weeks to obtain coverage on January 1st. Besides Curtis what difference does it make to you? Aren't you exempt through your present employer much like Harry Reid's federal employees who answer to him?



  10. Jon Gansen
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    12/9/2013 11:12 AM
    [url]http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-architect-if-you-your-doctor-you-can-pay-more_769688.html[/url

    All these lies. When will some of the Obama minions say enough is enough??? (I do know the answer)
    And Syria now is coming to the front again to add to healthcare lies and all the others....



  11. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    12/9/2013 3:12 PM
    Jon Gansen said: [url]http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-architect-if-you-your-doctor-you-can-pay-more_769688.html[/url

    All these lies. When will some of the Obama minions say enough is enough??? (I do know the answer)
    And Syria now is coming to the front again to add to healthcare lies and all the others....


    Jon what's up with Syria?

    As for the doctor comments and the plan comments, I will admit that it was probably not the best thing to say, since it can't be guaranteed, but as I have mentioned before, and have seen it, if my employer changes plans, it might include having to change doctors or continue with my doctor being an out of network provider which would cost me more, since insurance would only cover 60% instead of the 80% and also I might not get the discounts. If the president would have explained it better and also used the examples that were already out there he might not be taking the hit he is on the issue. The keeping the same insurance and doctor was a problem before the ACA and because the ACA didn't really fix those issues it will continue to be a problem for those that it affects. Why don't the republicans work with the democrats to fix the issue if it is such a big deal? (Oh yea I know why, because this was the plan the republicans had all along until the president agreed with them and made it happen). I don't consider them lies, I consider them politician speak, both sides do it. Yet we don't hold them accountable at election time.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  12. Jon Gansen
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    1 posts
    12/9/2013 6:12 PM
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/9/obama-lied-about-syrian-chemical-attack-cherry-pic/ [quote"> I don't consider them lies, I consider them politician speakI fail to see the difference. I hate to go back to Pelosi but what she said was the pure gospel truth we are finding out was in this bill and if the TRUTH be known at the time what would that of done to public opinion? The same thing it is doing now. This thing would not have been passed. Thanks Mel for answering my ? earlier, he will never ever do anything wrong its wasn't his responsiblity, he didn't know, wasn't made aware. I wish I could do that with my boss.



  13. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    12/10/2013 9:12 AM
    Jon Gansen said: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/9/obama-lied-about-syrian-chemical-attack-cherry-pic/ [quote"> I don't consider them lies, I consider them politician speak
    I fail to see the difference. I hate to go back to Pelosi but what she said was the pure gospel truth we are finding out was in this bill and if the TRUTH be known at the time what would that of done to public opinion? The same thing it is doing now. This thing would not have been passed. Thanks Mel for answering my ? earlier, he will never ever do anything wrong its wasn't his responsiblity, he didn't know, wasn't made aware. I wish I could do that with my boss.

    Thanks Jon for the link, while it bugs me because I want to support the president and do, but I know supporting him blindly isn't the way to go either. I guess it is becoming the norm in Washington, similar to what we heard before entering the war with Iraq? The manipulation of intelligence to fit the agenda? Might have to look for more sources and stories, although I guess the Washington Times is creditable? (Are any news outlets creditable anymore? I wonder if part of the problem and I think it is really true locally, as cost cutting goes on at newspapers there is less investigative or follow-up reporting because of less reporters having to move onto the next story?)

    If we call one president out on it, we need to call all. I guess that is the issue I still have, too many people were mute with President Bush, why the difference with President Obama? Maybe if the opposite party didn't oppose everything the President does, people wouldn't blindly follow either side and look at what is best for everyone, not themselves. When they are right about something support them, then when they are wrong, I think it carries more weight. I know that is how I feel.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  14. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    12/14/2013 5:12 PM
    Boy, these things are racking up.

    How long before Luca Brasi shows up to the healthcare providers door step?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/12/14/government-takeover-white-house-forces-obamacare-insurers-to-cover-unpaid-patients-at-a-loss/?partner=yahootix



  15. James Schmid
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    1 posts
    12/15/2013 11:12 AM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: (Are any news outlets creditable anymore? I wonder if part of the problem and I think it is really true locally, as cost cutting goes on at newspapers there is less investigative or follow-up reporting because of less reporters having to move onto the next story?)

    Mel


    There is a problem with a lack of credible, balanced reporting because the market does not demand it. Too many people are too busy watching their slanted cable news channels or Keeping up with the Kardashians. If there was high demand for balanced reporting on items that actually qualify as news, then it would be more readily available. But the demand is not there, so it is not profitable to produce the product



  16. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    12/15/2013 1:12 PM
    James Schmid said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS (Are any news outlets creditable anymore? I wonder if part of the problem and I think it is really true locally, as cost cutting goes on at newspapers there is less investigative or follow-up reporting because of less reporters having to move onto the next story?)

    Mel


    There is a problem with a lack of credible, balanced reporting because the market does not demand it. Too many people are too busy watching their slanted cable news channels or Keeping up with the Kardashians. If there was high demand for balanced reporting on items that actually qualify as news, then it would be more readily available. But the demand is not there, so it is not profitable to produce the product


    Great point James, how do we get back to that?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  17. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    12/15/2013 7:12 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:

    Great point James, how do we get back to that?

    Mel


    We might get back to that when the major networks finally understand it's not their job to cheerlead for the President.



  18. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    12/16/2013 6:12 AM



  19. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    12/16/2013 7:12 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: We have this to look forward to. Yay us:

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304403804579260603531505102



    Author: Michael J.Boskin, an economics professor at Stanford University and senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, was chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President George H.W. Bush.

    I'd like to hear a rebuttal from Chairman Jason Furman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Barack Obama, but won't hold my btreath.



  20. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    12/17/2013 10:12 PM
    Worth passing along solely based on the title of the article.........

    http://www.mainstreet.com/article/famil ... _ven=YAHOO



  21. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    12/18/2013 11:12 AM
    I am hoping to retire and have found every option I can imagine at healthcare.gov. I can get very comfortable health insurance from $47 per month. That would be a Humana Silver Plan HMO. Doctor visits are $10, specialists $35 and prescriptions $17.



  22. James Geiger
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    1 posts
    12/18/2013 11:12 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: I am hoping to retire and have found every option I can imagine at healthcare.gov. I can get very comfortable health insurance from $47 per month. That would be a Humana Silver Plan HMO. Doctor visits are $10, specialists $35 and prescriptions $17.

    You seem to have left out the meat and potatoes such as deductibles and max out of pocket. Those are real expenses that are going to hit people that have medical issues which we will in fact be paying for over and above the monthly premium



  23. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    12/18/2013 11:12 AM
    James Geiger said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: I am hoping to retire and have found every option I can imagine at healthcare.gov. I can get very comfortable health insurance from $47 per month. That would be a Humana Silver Plan HMO. Doctor visits are $10, specialists $35 and prescriptions $17.

    You seem to have left out the meat and potatoes such as deductibles and max out of pocket. Those are real expenses that are going to hit people that have medical issues which we will in fact be paying for over and above the monthly premium


    Deductible $1600, Max OOP $3200



  24. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    12/19/2013 8:12 PM
    On Medicaid? Over 55 yeas old? Better put your house and vehicles in your kid's names.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obamacare-shotgun-wedding-marry-lose-091500078.html



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