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1. Steven Kurta

   

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   4/23/2012 9:04 PM

   ..because unbalanced, skewed information serves nobody no how

   
   
   
   
2. Dennis Cook

   

   1 posts
   
   4/24/2012 6:04 AM

   Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:

   Dennis Cook said: I do to Steve, but the government tends to complicate and screw up everything it touches. The people built this country into what it is today, not the govt.

   
   
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   Scott, most of the things on this list are the things govt is supposed to provide with our tax dollars. A lot of these are provided at the state level and my state taxes are much lower than federal. Notice your list doesn't say:
   1. Govt to confiscate social security taxes and bankrupt the system so you dont get them back
   2. Food stamps for 50 million Americans
   3. Solyndra
   4. Guns for Mexican Cartel
   5. FCC and military advertisements on NASCAR vehicles
   6. 99 weeks of unemployment benefits
   7. Salaries for 100 senators who cannot pass a budget
   
   This list could go on and on with govt waste and programs that have become so big. Every safety net we create ends up in some emergency where we need to extend it or give more money. its kind of like that child that never leaves the teet because mom and dad keep giving them what they want. They keep helping there kid through all their poor decisions, so the kid keeps making them because he knows mom and dad will bail him out. The kids who were weened from their parents learned to do it on their own out of necessity, because they knew they couldnt crawl back to their parents. No different with all the wasteful government programs that our wonderful leaders have figured out every way til Sunday to help. Create such an environment so people keep crawling tot he govt for more and more. This is why were in trouble, this is why we no longer can pay for the things in your picture Scott. Because there are so many blood sucking leaches that are sucking every penny out of our govt, so govt can no longer afford to do the things they are supposed to do.
   
   Do any of you realize how many times you are taxed? I went to Detroit over the weekend and paid four different taxes on my hotel bill for one night totalling $22. The tax amounted to 20% of the total bill. Every utility bill I get has like six taxes on it. Then we pay sales tax, income tax, state income tax, FICA (soc sec), medicaid, property tax, gasoline tax, unemployment tax, license plates, drivers license, fishing license, hunting license, marriage license, real estate tax, toll roads, telephone federal excise tax, and probably hundreds more that are hidden in every single thing we do. And our government doesn't have enough money? Are you kidding me? Whats the solution, another tax? Tax the rich? Thats always your solution and it never works because government spending is out of control and they will always keep spending more unless we get the behemoth under control.
   
   A hundred years ago we did have all these taxes and we were still the most prosperous country in the world, with little to no national debt. You answer the question, mismanagement or under taxed?

   
   
   
   
3. Larry Allan

   

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   4/24/2012 6:04 AM

   Dennis Cook said:

   Larry Allan said:

   Dennis Cook said:

   James Schmid said:

   Dennis Cook said:

   Ronald Conard, CGCS said:

   Dennis Cook said: I do to Steve, but the government tends to complicate and screw up everything it touches. The people built this country into what it is today, not the govt.

   
   
   Do you support, or even respect, our military?

   
   
   Of course I do, that is one thing we have always done well.

   
   
   Don't you mean that's something that the government has done well?

   
   
   Are you getting that picky, we the people, our govt, our soldiers all have contributed to a great military. You have no argument about what I said so you have to pick on semantics.

   
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   Thanks Larry, I will take that as a compliment. I don't get offended very easily and I can stand up for what I believe in without calling people names. When a lib calls me a name, I know it means, they no longer have an argument that is supported by facts so they always resort to name calling and personal attacks. Its in your playbook

   
   Nope no playbook here, Denise, just an observation from a fiscally conservative, social liberal kinda guy. There is a balance out there somewhere between Marx and Rand

   
   
   
   
4. Dennis Cook

   

   1 posts
   
   4/24/2012 10:04 AM

   Larry Allan said:

   Dennis Cook said:

   Larry Allan said:

   Dennis Cook said:

   James Schmid said:

   Dennis Cook said:

   Ronald Conard, CGCS said:

   Dennis Cook said: I do to Steve, but the government tends to complicate and screw up everything it touches. The people built this country into what it is today, not the govt.

   
   
   Do you support, or even respect, our military?

   
   
   Of course I do, that is one thing we have always done well.

   
   
   Don't you mean that's something that the government has done well?

   
   
   Are you getting that picky, we the people, our govt, our soldiers all have contributed to a great military. You have no argument about what I said so you have to pick on semantics.

   
   Denise, maybe it's just me but, you're starting to come across as a bit of a dick

   
   
   Thanks Larry, I will take that as a compliment. I don't get offended very easily and I can stand up for what I believe in without calling people names. When a lib calls me a name, I know it means, they no longer have an argument that is supported by facts so they always resort to name calling and personal attacks. Its in your playbook

   
   Nope no playbook here, Denise, just an observation from a fiscally conservative, social liberal kinda guy. There is a balance out there somewhere between Marx and Rand

   
   
   Well thanks for clearing that Lori

   
   
   
   
5. Dennis Cook

   

   1 posts
   
   4/24/2012 10:04 AM

   Dennis Cook said:

   Larry Allan said:

   Dennis Cook said:

   Larry Allan said:

   Dennis Cook said:

   James Schmid said:

   Dennis Cook said:

   Ronald Conard, CGCS said:

   Dennis Cook said: I do to Steve, but the government tends to complicate and screw up everything it touches. The people built this country into what it is today, not the govt.

   
   
   Do you support, or even respect, our military?

   
   
   Of course I do, that is one thing we have always done well.

   
   
   Don't you mean that's something that the government has done well?

   
   
   Are you getting that picky, we the people, our govt, our soldiers all have contributed to a great military. You have no argument about what I said so you have to pick on semantics.

   
   {Quote removed in conjunction with GCSAA's forum policies.}

   
   
   Thanks Larry, I will take that as a compliment. I don't get offended very easily and I can stand up for what I believe in without calling people names. When a lib calls me a name, I know it means, they no longer have an argument that is supported by facts so they always resort to name calling and personal attacks. Its in your playbook

   
   Nope no playbook here, Denise, just an observation from a fiscally conservative, social liberal kinda guy. There is a balance out there somewhere between Marx and Rand

   
   
   Well thanks for clearing that up Lori

   
   
   Darn spell check didnt catch that

   
   
   
   
6. McCallum David K

   
   4/24/2012 11:04 AM

   Ohhhhhhhh Jeff, don't feel singled out, no hurt feelings either. And as far as Wal-Mart goes, stop picking on them. As the baseball player once said, Wal-Mart has been "berry berry good for David". Buy yourself 100 shares hang on to um in case your goverment doesn't have any money left to take care of those of us that have worked their entire adult lives.

   
   
   
   
7. Wahlin Scott B

   
   4/24/2012 2:04 PM

   Dennis Cook said: A hundred years ago we did have all these taxes and we were still the most prosperous country in the world, with little to no national debt. You answer the question, mismanagement or under taxed?

   
   
   In the last 100 years, there have been only two times when the Republicans had control of the White House and both Houses of Congress for an extended time period.
   
   The first was from 1921 to 1931. They cut taxes, and they eliminated (or refused to enact) regulations to control business excesses. The economy crashed into a wall known as the Great Depression.
   
   The second time was from 2001 to 2007 (not counting the blip caused by Sen. Jeffords switching parties). During that time period, and immediately prior when the Republicans controlled both Houses of Congress (1995-2001), they dismantled many of the regulatory reforms that were enacted during the New Deal. Guess what? The Republican domination ended in the Great Meltdown.
   
   Coincidence?
   
   Why did it take 80 years for the Republicans to get back into complete control? Probably because it took that long for people who lived during the Great Depression, and who remembered what they did, to die out.
   
   When the Republicans are in complete control, it is a great party, but the hangover is a killer.

   
   
   
   
8. Dennis Cook

   

   1 posts
   
   4/25/2012 6:04 AM

   Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:

   Dennis Cook said: A hundred years ago we did have all these taxes and we were still the most prosperous country in the world, with little to no national debt. You answer the question, mismanagement or under taxed?

   
   
   In the last 100 years, there have been only two times when the Republicans had control of the White House and both Houses of Congress for an extended time period.
   
   The first was from 1921 to 1931. They cut taxes, and they eliminated (or refused to enact) regulations to control business excesses. The economy crashed into a wall known as the Great Depression.
   
   The second time was from 2001 to 2007 (not counting the blip caused by Sen. Jeffords switching parties). During that time period, and immediately prior when the Republicans controlled both Houses of Congress (1995-2001), they dismantled many of the regulatory reforms that were enacted during the New Deal. Guess what? The Republican domination ended in the Great Meltdown.
   
   Coincidence?
   
   Why did it take 80 years for the Republicans to get back into complete control? Probably because it took that long for people who lived during the Great Depression, and who remembered what they did, to die out.
   
   When the Republicans are in complete control, it is a great party, but the hangover is a killer.

   
   
   So you think when Roosevelt enacted the New Deal it fixed everything? In all actuality it was world war 2. The economy still limped along for some time after the new deal and when Pearl Harbor was bombed, we were thrusted into an economic recovery because people and industry became essential to the war effort.
   
   The current meltdown had nothing to do with regulatory reform. it had everything to do with the housing bubble bursting. What caused the housing bubble? It was the Community reinvestment act that forced banks to lend to people that could not afford to pay their bills. Sub-Prime mortgages. For awhile these banks were able to bundle these and sell them to other entities, but eventually after everyone figured out what was going on, no one wanted them and certain banks were stuck with them, resulting in a huge crash of the financial sector. Had nothing to do with Wall Street greed, it had everything to do with the regulation created by govt that forced these banks to loan money and then do everything they could to recoup their costs. In the end something was going to crash.
   
   Over the last hundred years your party has done a good job creating more poverty and more dependency by offering a free ride from the govt. Supposedly all these great programs were going to fix everything, but statistically they have all gotten worse and created more people at the trough.

   
   
   
   
9. Melvin Waldron

   

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   4/25/2012 6:04 AM

   Dennis, while you are correct the housing bubble played a big part in it, going back to the Investment act under the Clinton administration, didn't the Bush administration strip away a lot of the regulations that allowed the selling of those assets? A lot of lobbying I'm sure by Wall Street to loosen the regulations so they could make huge profits selling crap. Was an interesting show on PBS last night dealing with the issue.
   
   Mel

   
   Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
   
   
10. James Schmid

    

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    4/25/2012 7:04 AM

    Dennis Cook said:

    James Schmid said:

    Dennis Cook said:

    Ronald Conard, CGCS said:

    Dennis Cook said: I do to Steve, but the government tends to complicate and screw up everything it touches. The people built this country into what it is today, not the govt.

    
    
    Do you support, or even respect, our military?

    
    
    Of course I do, that is one thing we have always done well.

    
    
    Don't you mean that's something that the government has done well?

    
    
    Are you getting that picky, we the people, our govt, our soldiers all have contributed to a great military. You have no argument about what I said so you have to pick on semantics.

    
    
    My point is that every time you feel the government has failed at something you refer to it as "government", I was just curious why you didn't do the same in this instance, and instead decided to refer to it as "we"

    
    
    
    
11. Wahlin Scott B

    
    4/25/2012 7:04 AM

    When Dennis drank the tea, he swallowed the hook.

    
    
    
    
12. Dennis Cook

    

    1 posts
    
    4/25/2012 10:04 AM

    Mel,
    
    is it illegal to sell an asset? Wouldnt you want to dump crap that the govt forced you to acquire? Dump a crappy asset before you get burned by it? Of course, but eventually, the bluff gets called on someone and someone is forced to eat it. No one would of had to eat it had the govt. not forced these loans

    
    
    
    
13. Dennis Cook

    

    1 posts
    
    4/25/2012 10:04 AM

    James Schmid said:

    Dennis Cook said:

    James Schmid said:

    Dennis Cook said:

    Ronald Conard, CGCS said:

    Dennis Cook said: I do to Steve, but the government tends to complicate and screw up everything it touches. The people built this country into what it is today, not the govt.

    
    
    Do you support, or even respect, our military?

    
    
    Of course I do, that is one thing we have always done well.

    
    
    Don't you mean that's something that the government has done well?

    
    
    Are you getting that picky, we the people, our govt, our soldiers all have contributed to a great military. You have no argument about what I said so you have to pick on semantics.

    
    
    My point is that every time you feel the government has failed at something you refer to it as "government", I was just curious why you didn't do the same in this instance, and instead decided to refer to it as "we"

    
    
    i say we when it comes to the military because it takes a lot more than govt to make it work. it takes willing people to voluntarily go in and fight the good fight. The govt pays the bill for the military, and the president ultimately directs where the involvement in the world is going to take place, but inside the military there isnt any politicians running the show. Our brave men and woman make the day to day operations happen and they do so with a great amount of accountability, which is something most of our govt lacks

    
    
    
    
14. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    4/25/2012 10:04 AM

    Dennis Cook said:
    i say we when it comes to the military because it takes a lot more than govt to make it work. it takes willing people to voluntarily go in and fight the good fight. The govt pays the bill for the military, and the president ultimately directs where the involvement in the world is going to take place, but inside the military there isnt any politicians running the show. Our brave men and woman make the day to day operations happen and they do so with a great amount of accountability, which is something most of our govt lacks

    
    
    Dennis,
    
    If you don't think there are not politicians in the military, then you are as naive as I am about things. But I know what your are saying, Washington politicians are the ones you are talking about, making sure to get what's good for their district or state first whether the military needs it or not.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
15. Dennis Cook

    

    1 posts
    
    4/25/2012 2:04 PM

    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:

    Dennis Cook said:
    i say we when it comes to the military because it takes a lot more than govt to make it work. it takes willing people to voluntarily go in and fight the good fight. The govt pays the bill for the military, and the president ultimately directs where the involvement in the world is going to take place, but inside the military there isnt any politicians running the show. Our brave men and woman make the day to day operations happen and they do so with a great amount of accountability, which is something most of our govt lacks

    
    
    Dennis,
    
    If you don't think there are not politicians in the military, then you are as naive as I am about things. But I know what your are saying, Washington politicians are the ones you are talking about, making sure to get what's good for their district or state first whether the military needs it or not.
    
    Mel

    
    Yea Mel, you get what im saying