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  1. Stephen Okula
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    11/18/2015 9:11 AM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Steve, your statistics include suicide which is not murder. I know how you feel about guns and I respect your right to feel that way, but I would rather have the ability to defend myself than go down without a fight.

    Regards,

    Steve


    According to FBI statistics, there have been over 12,000 murders, by firearms, not suicides, in the U.S for each year from 2009 to 2013.
    https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/c ... 9-2013.xls

    My 11,000 figure in my last post was being conservative, since the 2014 numbers aren't out yet.



  2. Stephen Okula
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    11/18/2015 9:11 AM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Statistics are rarely to never reported on lives that were saved due to gun ownership. It is actually a very large number. Anyone can shoot an unarmed person. Even criminals think twice if they know they may get shot or killed!


    So what you're saying is that without guns the murder rate would double?



  3. Trevor Monreal
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    11/18/2015 9:11 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: Right, because guns make us safe?

    If guns don't "make" us safe, why are police officers armed with them?
    Why is the secret service armed while protecting our elected leaders and foreign dignitaries?
    Once an elected official is willing to say he/she doesn't need armed protection and/or ANY American city disarms their police force...and this move proves to be successful, you'll get my attention.
    Until then, no thanks



  4. Larry Allan
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    11/18/2015 10:11 AM
    Trevor Monreal said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: Right, because guns make us safe?

    If guns don't "make" us safe, why are police officers armed with them?
    Why is the secret service armed while protecting our elected leaders and foreign dignitaries?
    Once an elected official is willing to say he/she doesn't need armed protection and/or ANY American city disarms their police force...and this move proves to be successful, you'll get my attention.
    Until then, no thanks

    Kinda stupid. You should reread before posting. It has nothing to do with what either Steve was pointing out.



  5. Trevor Monreal
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    11/18/2015 11:11 AM
    Larry Allan said:
    Kinda stupid. You should reread before posting. It has nothing to do with what either Steve was pointing out.

    ???
    It has everything to do with what I was pointing out.
    Sorry if my posting was not up to the level of accepted ignorance.



  6. Steven Huffstutler
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    11/18/2015 2:11 PM
    Well.....I would say that having a gun during a terrorist attack would be wayyyyy better than not having a gun during a terrorist attack.....



  7. Larry Allan
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    11/18/2015 4:11 PM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Well.....I would say that having a gun during a terrorist attack would be wayyyyy better than not having a gun during a terrorist attack.....

    Not if the cops shoot you because you've got a gun in the middle of a terrorist attack



  8. Peter Bowman
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    11/18/2015 4:11 PM
    Pretty sure at that point I'd re-conceal my gun.



  9. Clay Putnam
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    11/18/2015 4:11 PM
    Larry Allan said:
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Well.....I would say that having a gun during a terrorist attack would be wayyyyy better than not having a gun during a terrorist attack.....

    Not if the cops shoot you because you've got a gun in the middle of a terrorist attack


    Or if Steve trips and accidentally shoots the chandelier perilously hanging above him.



  10. Keith Lamb
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    11/18/2015 6:11 PM
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  11. Peter Bowman
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    11/18/2015 8:11 PM
    Split them up equally in all our sanctuary cities.

    Keith Lamb said: [url=http://s520.photobucket.com/user/alohakane123/media/States%20Surrendered_zpstw5naerc.jpg.html">[img">http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w327/alohakane123/States%20Surrendered_zpstw5naerc.jpg[/img">



  12. Keith Lamb
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    11/18/2015 8:11 PM
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  13. Peter Bowman
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    11/18/2015 9:11 PM
    You must have already volunteered to take in a family or two yourself?



  14. Steven Huffstutler
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    11/19/2015 5:11 AM
    Larry Allan said:
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Well.....I would say that having a gun during a terrorist attack would be wayyyyy better than not having a gun during a terrorist attack.....

    Not if the cops shoot you because you've got a gun in the middle of a terrorist attack



    Yeah, your'e right. Because the cops are always there, right? Just like they were in Paris.
    When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

    Steve



  15. Steven Kurta
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    11/19/2015 5:11 AM
    Will it happen at Disney.?

    Of course it will.
    I wonder if there's a line on it in Vegas yet.

    ..like, what will be the next target, plane, public place, etc.



  16. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    11/19/2015 6:11 AM
    Steven Kurta said: Will it happen at Disney.?

    Of course it will.
    I wonder if there's a line on it in Vegas yet.

    ..like, what will be the next target, plane, public place, etc.



    Take your idea on down to the VFDubya and start ya a square game.



  17. Trevor Monreal
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    11/19/2015 6:11 AM
    Steven Kurta said: Will it happen at Disney.?

    Of course it will.
    I wonder if there's a line on it in Vegas yet.

    ..like, what will be the next target, plane, public place, etc.

    Mentioning Vegas; Vegas, New Orleans...
    Two places I wont go and I have asked my daughter to stay away from.
    [size=85">Opps...I just realized I might be off target with this 'stupid' post too
    Oh well, that's how I roll[/size">



  18. Larry Allan
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    11/19/2015 6:11 AM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said:
    Larry Allan said:
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Well.....I would say that having a gun during a terrorist attack would be wayyyyy better than not having a gun during a terrorist attack.....

    Not if the cops shoot you because you've got a gun in the middle of a terrorist attack



    Yeah, your'e right. Because the cops are always there, right? Just like they were in Paris.
    When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

    Steve

    I got the possum act down pat, for any potential emergency



  19. Peter Bowman
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    11/19/2015 9:11 AM
    Keith Lamb said: [url=http://s520.photobucket.com/user/alohakane123/media/States%20Surrendered_zpstw5naerc.jpg.html">[img">http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w327/alohakane123/States%20Surrendered_zpstw5naerc.jpg[/img">


    Well, if true http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... in-laredo/ Keith will try to change Florida's Governor's mind and convince him Florida should be happy to take in 8 new Syrian refugees.



  20. Clay Putnam
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  21. Stephen Ravenkamp
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    11/19/2015 3:11 PM
    We are much more likely to see attacks from "home grown" terrorists than from Syrian refugees. Oh, wait! We already have! The attackers in France were French or Belgian nationals. I'd bet any attacks in the US will be from US citizens who have been radicalized. We already have enough disaffected people here who cause mass killings (think Timothy McVeigh and others). Jeff Flake had a much more sensible idea with his bill to require anyone who had been to Syria within the past 5 years to get a visa to come to the US. Right now, people with European passports do not require visas. Another fact, out of the over 20,000 refugees recommended by the United Nations, only a little more than 7,000 were accepted for screening by the US and only about 2,000 were accepted. Screening took about 2 years. Do you really think the ISIS radicals are going to wait 2 years to get legal entry? Flake's idea makes more sense.



  22. Keith Lamb
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    11/19/2015 6:11 PM
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  23. Peter Bowman
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    11/19/2015 8:11 PM
    Question:

    Keith Lamb said: [url=http://s520.photobucket.com/user/alohakane123/media/9230FCB3-1323-4B78-BC27-682951C92ADA_zpsuekyxykj.jpg.html">[img">http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w327/alohakane123/9230FCB3-1323-4B78-BC27-682951C92ADA_zpsuekyxykj.jpg[/img">


    Answer: then they'll probably kill a bunch of us?



  24. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    11/20/2015 4:11 AM
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  25. Larry Allan
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    11/20/2015 6:11 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: Red, time for plan B.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-best-advice-if-you-find-yourself-in-a-terror-attack-do-not-play-dead/ar-BBncvsb?li=BBgzzfc&ocid=mailsignout

    I plan to possum regardless. Hopefully I can sneakily tie their shoelaces together and thwart the attack.



  26. Christopher Thuer
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    11/21/2015 2:11 PM
    I applied for a lifetime carry permit this week and shopping for a new hand gun this weekend. I won't be playing possum.

    Chris Thuer, CGCS, Bear Slide Golf Club, Cicero, IN

  27. Steve Nelson
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    11/22/2015 10:11 AM
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said: Question:

    Keith Lamb said: [url=http://s520.photobucket.com/user/alohakane123/media/9230FCB3-1323-4B78-BC27-682951C92ADA_zpsuekyxykj.jpg.html">[img">http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w327/alohakane123/9230FCB3-1323-4B78-BC27-682951C92ADA_zpsuekyxykj.jpg[/img">


    Answer: then they'll probably kill a bunch of us?



    Yeah, maybe not the best example....



  28. Keith Lamb
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    11/22/2015 1:11 PM
    Ya, crazy huh? When statistically speaking our greatest threat lies in those who already live here.



  29. Keith Lamb
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    11/22/2015 1:11 PM
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  30. Sean Hoolehan
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    11/24/2015 10:11 AM
    No Joke our resort is using this video and specific training for active shooter.

    https://youtu.be/5VcSwejU2D0



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