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Why is it Wall Street Protesters

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  1. Melvin Waldron
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    10/6/2011 10:10 AM
    Why is it the Wall Street Protesters are anti-American and the tea party wasn't? I know on is against corporate greed and the other against big government. I think they both need to work together to get this thing turned around. (just my opinion)

    Stewart did a bit on his show last night about it, that I thought was funny as all get out, and I felt very true, with the questions it raised. If anybody could post that link I would appreciate it. (Darn city has a block, plus I've barely learned to post pictures)

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  2. McCallum David K
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    10/6/2011 10:10 AM
    What I really find funny is they are not protesting a little further south, you know inside the beltway were ALL of this originates from. Guess we don;t want to piss off our guys. Protestors in front of the White House is a no no on the evening news.



  3. Clay Putnam
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    10/6/2011 3:10 PM
    I've got $20 that says at least 1/2 the protesters have no idea why they are there. They're not un-Amercian just a bit cranially challenged.



  4. Melvin Waldron
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    10/6/2011 3:10 PM
    Clay,

    Sounds like half the Tea Party, as in telling the government to keep their hands off their Medicare.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. Wahlin Scott B
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  6. Peter Bowman
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    10/6/2011 9:10 PM
    BallMark said: Why is it the Wall Street Protesters are anti-American and the tea party wasn't? I know on is against corporate greed and the other against big government. I think they both need to work together to get this thing turned around. (just my opinion)

    Stewart did a bit on his show last night about it, that I thought was funny as all get out, and I felt very true, with the questions it raised. If anybody could post that link I would appreciate it. (Darn city has a block, plus I've barely learned to post pictures)

    Mel


    Well, let's see, Mel. How 'bout we pick from a list of demands....

    Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

    Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

    Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

    Demand four: Free college education.

    Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand. (Good luck with that)

    Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now. (Didn't they do that already?)

    Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants. (Oh boy).

    Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment. Pretty sure we're already there).

    Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live. (Pretty sure that could work).

    Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system. (mght have a point there. Let's start with requiring identification to vote).

    Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period. They're frickin' insane, Mel).

    Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies. (That way, nobody can downgarde America's credit rating ever again).

    Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union. (Hmmmm...)

    These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy. (Yep, certifiably insane).



  7. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/6/2011 9:10 PM
    Where did you get these "demands" Pete?



  8. Peter Bowman
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    10/6/2011 10:10 PM
    wahlins said: Where did you get these "demands" Pete?


    I made them up, all by myself.

    Save it, Scott. Nice try at a bait job. I'll do it for you. It's from the same website you Googled, I'm sure, and saw this same list I saw....

    http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed- ... st-moveme/

    ....so you could show me where I was wrong. The website where after several days having this list on the top of their site, they now say this is "Not an official list of demands," because they now see the foolishness of their ways. Just yesterday, this was not noted as "not an official list of demands".



  9. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/7/2011 6:10 AM
    I was just asking. I had not heard about any demands.



  10. Melvin Waldron
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    10/7/2011 9:10 AM
    I was thinking the same thing, the clip I saw made no mention of demands.

    I just thought the clip showed the hypocrisy of fox news, it showed that all the protesters are not on the same page, and to wrap it up, congress isn't on the same page.

    And we wonder why we are having problems when no one wants to compromise?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  11. Sandy Clark
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    10/7/2011 9:10 AM
    Some of the most ignorant greedy people I have ever heard interviewed. They want what all of us that have worked hard have but they want it for FREE!!!! Is this what is going on in our high school and colleges? When were we ever owed anything? Last I knew, we earned it. Condemning corporations while talking on cell phones, using I-Pads, communicating through Facebook and wearing clothes that were all made by successful corporations. Now that is funny.



  12. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/7/2011 9:10 AM
    I had a job months before I graduated from college. My first job was with a private company and offered a complete benefits package including a pension. Even then I considered my college debt to be reasonable. The kids today have been at war for the past ten years with no end in sight. They need good paying jobs in order to keep up with their college debt and those jobs are just not there. What is laughable is thinking that they have the same chances that we had. Not to mention those of us who have been left out in the cold due to health and employment issues.



  13. Steve Nelson
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    10/7/2011 9:10 AM
    I haven't seen too much on the wall street protests, but from what I have seen it seems there's not a lot of unity of leadership, rather a bunch of disparate groups protesting at the same time at the same target. To me this movement echoes what we've already seen from the political right with the rise of the tea party. The bottom line is that an ever increasing number of Americans are unhappy and becoming angry enough to organize and protest about the current state of our country.

    Unemployment, underemployment, the disappearing middle class, the rising cost of college, lack of any real opportunity for the youth, a decade of war, and the ever declining standard of living in this country has made many fear that the american dream is over. Whether your perspective is from the right or left, the growing number of the dissatisfied should be a clear message to Washington. That it is time to put America and Americans first.



  14. Sean Hoolehan
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    10/7/2011 10:10 AM
    gusn said: I haven't seen too much on the wall street protests, but from what I have seen it seems there's not a lot of unity of leadership, rather a bunch of disparate groups protesting at the same time at the same target. To me this movement echoes what we've already seen from the political right with the rise of the tea party. The bottom line is that an ever increasing number of Americans are unhappy and becoming angry enough to organize and protest about the current state of our country.

    Unemployment, underemployment, the disappearing middle class, the rising cost of college, lack of any real opportunity for the youth, a decade of war, and the ever declining standard of living in this country has made many fear that the american dream is over. Whether your perspective is from the right or left, the growing number of the dissatisfied should be a clear message to Washington. That it is time to put America and Americans first.



    [size=150">Well said Gus[/size">



  15. Andrew Cross
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    10/7/2011 10:10 AM
    sandy1 said: Some of the most ignorant greedy people I have ever heard interviewed. They want what all of us that have worked hard have but they want it for FREE!!!! Is this what is going on in our high school and colleges? When were we ever owed anything? Last I knew, we earned it. Condemning corporations while talking on cell phones, using I-Pads, communicating through Facebook and wearing clothes that were all made by successful corporations. Now that is funny.


    I've got agree with this. I'm only 26 but have worked hard my entire life, paid for my 4yr college education myself and made it to a pretty good superintendent job. Nothing was ever given to me and I don't expect anything to be given to me. I was taught that you get what you earn. Life is what you make of it and these kids these days, and I include lots of them from my age group, want it handed to them without the blood, sweat, and tears of real work. They've been spoiled since birth and told everyone is a winner ( in sports, etc.), now in the real world they find out not everyone wins!



  16. McCallum David K
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    10/7/2011 11:10 AM
    Also very well said Andrew.

    I don't recall any Tea Party rallies with hundreds of protestors being arrested and threats being made like is being reported with the Wall Street protestors. You do have a right to protest in this country but it does not include threats of bodily harm or destruction of property because you disagree with someone's agenda. You change it through the ballot box.........not with a coup.



  17. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/7/2011 11:10 AM
    [img">http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/scottcgcs/christianleft.jpg[/img">

    From The Christian Left
    http://www.thechristianleft.org/



  18. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/7/2011 11:10 AM
    [img">http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/scottcgcs/librarians.jpg[/img">



  19. Sean Hoolehan
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    10/7/2011 11:10 AM
    never mind



  20. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/7/2011 12:10 PM
    I was not trying to defend the protesters. Personally, I think there is significant room for improvement in our society. This opinion is undoubtedly based on how I interpret what Jesus said and did. I expect the Occupy Movement to grow and so far, I support their efforts. If you do not, that is okay by me.

    (This was a response to Sean that he deleted and changed. I did not realize that was an option.)



  21. Melvin Waldron
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    10/7/2011 1:10 PM
    Gus, you hit the nail on the head. Both sides need to start working together.

    Andrew that is how we grew up, and you make a good point. We learned to work hard too, and hopefully some of that is passed on, but, heck I get romantic about the 50's and early 60's although I was born in 1960. But that is what I see in the movies and magazines and books, but those things never show the seemier side of life, how minorities were treated, the old and sick, (of course health care wasn't what it is today and thank goodness it is, now paying for it is another issue). The point I'm making is while society has advanced, it has brought more issues and problems, (Or better reporting of them), but without that advancement, the wonders of today wouldn't be here either.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  22. Brent Venenga
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    10/7/2011 3:10 PM
    Read the book "Shut up Stop Whining and get a life!" by Larry Winget



  23. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/8/2011 4:10 AM
    turtle said: Read the book "Shut up Stop Whining and get a life!" by Larry Winget


    Whenever I have had a challenge with crew morale, turf health or anything else in my career I have always told the boss it was my fault. When I was questioned about this I said, "Well, if it is not my fault then there is nothing I can do about it and I would rather think that I am in control." So, I think I understand taking personal responsibility and my four children (all grown now) certainly understand that their success in life is their responsibility. But once again though, this country is screwed up. If it is not my fault then there is nothing I can do about it. If raising taxes on the highest earners by 5% will solve the problem then do it. If this is viewed as class warfare and raising taxes on everyone by 5% will placate this view and solve the problem then do that. I do not care, let's all take responsibility and solve the problems.



  24. Peter Bowman
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    10/8/2011 8:10 AM



  25. Sandy Clark
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    10/10/2011 9:10 AM
    This is not simply spontaneous protesting. Don't think for minute that liberal operatives aren't behind the organizing process. The protests have no unity of message but it doesn't matter. The goal is to get every type of interest group out on the streets in an effort to have numbers and make our great country sound bad. Do not be surprised if this doesn't turn out to be a prelude of the violence they have seen in Europe. Many European countries have been government nanny states for years and the gravy train finally has run dry. Look what happens when the freebies run out. In nearly every interview, no matter which city, these protesters cannot intelligently explain why they are there. You have PETA clowns, legalize drug groups, free college tuition groups, anti- oil / fossil fuel abolition advocates and many that have no idea what banks or Wall St. even do while referring to stealing of our money. Last I knew, most of us that have lost money in the market, willingly invested in an effort to grow our money to be self sufficient. That is called risk / reward. When you invest you take the risk of the down side. When it works you make money and in doing so, take that risk. Have there been Wall St. blunders? Of course. I would argue that much of the regulation has caused these severe losses. Free and open competition would make things far more competitive. How many banks do we have today compared to even 20 years ago. Regulation usually allows the bigger more successful to gobble up the smaller growing business and turn into somewhat of a monopoly. Without competition, bigger companies end up running wild and as consumers, we have less choices. Get rid of the regulations and go back to a competitive market. Things will rapidly turn around.



  26. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/10/2011 2:10 PM
    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZgZeAOaq4U[/youtube">



  27. McCallum David K
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    10/10/2011 6:10 PM
    I have seen the Occupy Wall Street crowd clashing with police, defecating on a police car, urinating in the streets, advocating the creation of a New Declaration on Independence...............don't recall any of that from those rabble rowser Tea Partier's. Perhaps they should try actually electing some of their mob members to Congress so they can institute change from within the system.



  28. Peter Bowman
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    10/10/2011 8:10 PM
    Live from New York, it's Michael Moore!!!!!

    NOW PLEASE REPEAT AFTER ME......

    This is hilarious.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCZLhEOJ8XA

    Kool-Aid will be poured as soon as we're done. Idiots are much better when useful.

    And from this crowd will come productive members of society, and America's next leaders?

    God help us all.



  29. Peter Bowman
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    10/10/2011 9:10 PM
    That reminds me, of Hedley LaMarr.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoM-ZC7uNnc



  30. Clay Putnam
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    10/11/2011 6:10 AM
    McCallum said: I have seen the Occupy Wall Street crowd clashing with police, defecating on a police car, urinating in the streets, advocating the creation of a New Declaration on Independence...............don't recall any of that from those rabble rowser Tea Partier's. Perhaps they should try actually electing some of their mob members to Congress so they can institute change from within the system.


    I was wondering about the same thing. I could be wrong but I do not recall seeing the police having to round up the Tea Party crowd and I never once heard of Tea Party members dropping "Big Potty" in the streets. As a matter of fact the exact opposite was reported; Tea Party members cleaned up after themselves.



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