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Why is it Wall Street Protesters

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  1. McCallum David K
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    10/11/2011 10:10 AM
    Another right wing conspiracy!



  2. Melvin Waldron
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    10/11/2011 10:10 AM
    putnam said:
    McCallum said: I have seen the Occupy Wall Street crowd clashing with police, defecating on a police car, urinating in the streets, advocating the creation of a New Declaration on Independence...............don't recall any of that from those rabble rowser Tea Partier's. Perhaps they should try actually electing some of their mob members to Congress so they can institute change from within the system.


    I was wondering about the same thing. I could be wrong but I do not recall seeing the police having to round up the Tea Party crowd and I never once heard of Tea Party members dropping "Big Potty" in the streets. As a matter of fact the exact opposite was reported; Tea Party members cleaned up after themselves.


    Not that those in the crowds should be doing some of these things being reported, but I wonder, the tea partiers where really only covered by Fox news and I'm sure they wouldn't have reported those kinds of issues, just like I don't hear much of these problems on MSNBC. Of course the tea partiers where also in and out, not hanging out for long periods of time like these protesters. I also remember how disrespectful some "Tea Partiers" were at "Town Forums" held back then, (can't seem to find any town forums by our newly elected Republicans here in SW MO)

    Certainly these protesters do need to respect others and when they do not, action could be taken, but it seems like some conservatives are not respecting these protesters right to the first amendment, that is what bugs me, it was ok for the Tea Party to protest and be protected under the first amendment, but not these protesters? Only ridicule and disrespect is what is thrown at them by the right. The right just criticises and does not offer any solutions. Typical for people and politics these days, it's my way or no way, and I say again, we wonder why nothing gets done. Just my opinion and it won't change until there is constructive dialogue, not just a bunch of BS.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  3. McCallum David K
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    10/11/2011 12:10 PM
    Mel not exactly what you mean by the Tea Party were protected by the First Admendment and the occupiers are not?. Other than when causing a disruption I have heard nothing of them being prevented from protesting. In fact today they are marching on some NYC millionaires...........Rupert Murdock, David Koch and theCEO of Chase..............no permit but will be allowed to march single file as to not block sidewalks. How are they being deprived of protesting. The media is covering them 24/7 so definitely no shortage of TV or newspaper time.



  4. Melvin Waldron
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    10/11/2011 12:10 PM
    David,

    I am not saying they are being denied (maybe it seemed that way as I was commenting) but they certainly take a hit from the very right and from Fox news and even some presidential candidates. I don't remember the Tea Party getting this kind of criticism, the criticism of their protesting is what I wanted to point out with some calling them un-american.

    You are correct they are being allowed to protest, I guess I was venting because what I perceive as a bias towards these protesters. I see it on this forum, I see it in our local papers in the comment sections (many here in the Ozarks are very right leaning), the criticisms of these people willing to take the time to stop what they are doing to protest what they see as problems with this country, the tea party did the same. Yet those that criticise these people and their beliefs have in my opinion failed to offer solutions that would benefit all and not just a small segment of the population.

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/11/2011 3:10 PM
    It is going to be interesting to see how this turns out. A comment is made from the right that protesters are defecating on police cars based on one photo, probably staged and no arrests (paper trail) for police car pooping. Fox has called the protesters everything imaginable and Glenn Beck says they they will soon be pulling rich people out of their homes, killing and eating them. Protesting against the right is all there is left. At this point the right won't negotiate and they won't listen to reason. That can change.



  6. Wahlin Scott B
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  7. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/11/2011 7:10 PM
    If you are a Fox News watcher you know that they say that OWS Protesters think "profit" is a "four-letter word"! If you don't want to hear a four-letter word do not click on the link of Marine Veteran OWS Protesters below.

    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aaTGsGdp4c[/youtube">



  8. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/11/2011 7:10 PM
    For many of you, I have nothing close to what you have financially. I can tell by your posts here. I would happily agree to increase my taxes by 5% to solve the problems of this country, yet you seem to be willing to give everything to lobbyists to destroy the middle class AND our country. Help me understand.



  9. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/11/2011 8:10 PM
    Hoolehan said: never mind


    You can say stuff on this forum, read the response, change your original post, then blow it off this easily? This was not your original post!



  10. Peter Bowman
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    10/11/2011 11:10 PM
    wahlins said: I would happily agree to increase my taxes by 5% to solve the problems of this country,


    Scott,

    I have a job for you. Would you please just write the check to the Treasury for what would equal a 5% increase in your taxes? You and Warren Buffett. Just write the damn checks and stop waiting for the government to force you into it.

    Let us know when you've completed that task.

    Thanks for listening.



  11. McCallum David K
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    10/12/2011 6:10 AM
    Scott,
    As I told David S into another thread every war has had disgruntled vets.......dates back to the Revoluntary War, War of Northern Oppression (thats a joke guys....chill out) etc etc.........I am sure there are some protesting Wall Street. Some buddies of mine went to the 1972 Republican Convention to start $h#!. It's America and you have that right............just do not infringe on my rights as you express yours. And I am sure the defecating on the police car was "staged"......part of that right wing conspiracy at work again. and not sure where you are going with the comment it's "obvious some of you have more money than me"

    Mel,
    I heard an interview with a protestor yesterday on my way home that was being interviewed. A 38 yo woman, in college with one 8 yo child at home. Her comment was she was there for the duration...........however long it took........was asked about her child.......in school and staying with my mom.........no mention of a husband was made..........she was asked what she did..........fulltime college student (Ivy League school she said) and an Occupier...........asked what her future was after the protest ended.........made it clear is was not a protest but they were occupiers (whatever the hell that is........guess protestor is to 60ish), to get a job and get her student loans forgiven.............she said the government owed it to everyone to forgive loans......cut the military by 50% and all loans for everyone could be forgiven..................THATS THE MENTALITY YOU ARE DEALING WITH ON THE STREETS OF NY, BOSTON, everywhere...................I find it commenable at age 38 she is thinking of getting a job and taking responsibility for her child....geeeeeeezzzzzzzzz



  12. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/12/2011 8:10 AM
    McCallum said: not sure where you are going with the comment it's "obvious some of you have more money than me"


    The Democrats are proposing at additional 5% tax on income over $1,000,000 as a means of funding the Jobs Bill without increasing the deficit. If you increased the tax on all of my income by 5% it would not change my lifestyle. It would hurt, but I would still buy things and go out to dinner. I cannot imagine someone making over $1,000,000 is going to be negatively affected by a 5% tax, especially since much of this money is going towards infrastructure that supports commerce.



  13. Keith Lamb
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    10/12/2011 9:10 AM
    Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't part of the problem is Wall Street/Big Financial institutions operate with the mentality that they are too big to fail and the bad decisions made by these people earning a obscene amount of money is done without them having any personal stake in whether the financial risks they take end up being the wrong one? They, in a sense, know that their "loans" will be forgiven or at least get a sweetheart deal to save them.



  14. McCallum David K
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    10/12/2011 11:10 AM
    Keith,
    I totally agree.........but part of the problem when Wall Street, Bank Street, whomever goes to DC with their hat in hands asking for money, a bailout, a loan whatever........the folks you and I continue to re-elect each and everytime they come up for re-election .............YOU and I are part of the problem. It's always the "other" senator or congressman that needs to go...........my guy or gal brings home the bacon. If we all took the same mindset that we say we want for our elected officials to have..........do FIRST what is right for the country and then we will worry about individuals. But we as voters do not do that. I have taken an oath for me personally to vote against every incumbent........no matter if a dog catcher or a president of the United States. One time is enough........go back home and get a g*$#&(#^m job like the rest of us.

    Am not picking on Obama.........but we all heard the hope and change chant for a year........dumba$$es fainting at his rallies...........get a life please. No lobbyist in the WH...........the WH has more lobbyist now than every before. Solyndra............$533,000,000...goooooooooooone.......now here comes Nancy Pelosi's bro in law, Ron with Tonopah Solar.........$737,000,000 in loans........for what 45 jobs?.........do the math on that.........$16 millon per job...........we can't afford the jobs the WH is creating.............all of these solar guys are stealing us blind and not a F*$&#@! to show for it.

    311,000,000 the rough estimate of the US pop as of mid 2011..............10.5 million of those are millionaires........a millionaire is determined by anyone having over 1,000,000 of currency........not including house or cars etc...........liquid cash..........do the math on that too.........take 50% of their money, it does not get us (the US) out of debt.........it does not make one thing better (except in their feeble little minds) for all of those idiots O C C U P Y I N G wall street

    The change will not come from some grubby guy or gal doing a sit in........it can only come at the ballot box unless you are prepared to take up arms to change things..........thank god the conversatives have most of the guns.........for now.



  15. Keith Lamb
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    10/12/2011 2:10 PM
    I agree to parts of what you're saying David...I won't tell you which ones or how many. Got to keep you guessing.

    I haven't voted for an incumbent in the last 5 years. At least it's a start.



  16. Sandy Clark
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    10/12/2011 2:10 PM
    One of the oppressed interviewed in LA yesterday was calling for armed violent revolution and spouting the usual Marxist revolutionary lines. These people offer no solutions unlike the suggestions of the Tea Party. They just want what someone else has and they want it at your expense for free! Wall Street followed the rules and loopholes allowed by our entrenched politicians. They took advantage of every bit of legal wiggle room they were given and many were badly hurt. Just heard yesterday that Wall Street firms will be laying off 10,000 people. Looks like they got hurt as well. This isn't a protest, it is the prelude to anarchy due to a mob mind set. At what Tea Party rally did open sex, nudity, drug use, public purging of bodily functions and massive filth take place? I don't remember any. As far as Tea Party people disrupting meetings, remember that unions and liberal operatives infiltrated meetings to ensure disruption. Were some normal people ticked at their representatives? Absolutely, and rightly so. Pelosi and other liberals still try to claim the Congressman was spit on when it was proven to not be true. Sorry, the left owns this nightmare. You better all hope this doesn't turn violent. My prediction has been that if appears Obama is losing, violence will break out. Before we give any more tax money to help these useless drains on society, lets look at the waste and corruption in government. I have said all along, they have enough money for everything, they just need to get smarter on where they use it. Not another dime from me until government waste is taken care of!



  17. Melvin Waldron
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    10/12/2011 2:10 PM
    Sandy,

    What about the people that brought their guns to Tea Party rallies?

    So 10,000 on Wall Street will lose jobs too? I feel sorry for them because they are probably part of the 99, they aren't the ones that made millions. The ones making the decisions haven't been hurt, "Wall Street" itself hasn't been hurt, just the many that toil everyday will be hurt.

    Keith hit the nail on the head about Wall Street's mentality, and I also agree with some of what David's saying. I too agree with you Sandy about watching what money is being spent on and waste.

    The new surcharge tax on the millionaires is just meant to pay for the new jobs program the president suggested, it's not to fix the debt problem itself. Hopefully infrastructure spending puts people to work, more taxes from them, but also they have more money to start buying goods, which will create demand and then that would create jobs, and more taxes etc. An upward spiral as I see it. But I suppose that would be up for debate.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  18. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/12/2011 2:10 PM
    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh7TBVtm5yI[/youtube">



  19. Sandy Clark
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    10/12/2011 4:10 PM
    Guns are legal, especially in Arizona. Personally, I wouldn't have done it but those that brought guns were emphasizing their constitutional right to do so. They never intended nor did they use the guns beyond protesting the fear of loss of guns. Fouling the street, the American flag and the hood of a cop car are illegal and yes there is a u-tube shot of some guy fouling the flag. Good thing I was not present or he would have been eating what he eliminated and that I would have proudly gone to jail for! As far as the millionaire guys paying for our roads and bridges, what happened to the years of gas taxes we have paid for road repair and related items such as bridges? We have already paid for these repairs a million times over. Where is that money?



  20. McCallum David K
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    10/13/2011 6:10 AM
    Keith,
    I will be out of town the next two weekends. I voted early yesterday since I will gone on election day, here Oct 22.........I voted for some guy running against the incumbent parish (county) coroner.........and all he does is prononce them dead. Voted NO on every proposed admendment change in our constitution and only voted yes on two millage renewals for fire protection..............my ballot was fairly negative.



  21. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/15/2011 8:10 AM
    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK1MOMKZ8BI[/youtube">



  22. Steven Kurta
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    10/15/2011 11:10 AM
    sandy1 said: Get rid of the regulations and go back to a competitive market. Things will rapidly turn around.


    I was having a talk with a member about the future of 'green speed' the other day and Sandy's comment, above, reminded me of it.

    Basically the member asked where does it all stop? "When do you guys say enough's enough with everything you have to go through to get greens like this?" I thought it was a great question and my response went like this:

    [quote">It's going to take a generational shift, or a dying-off, if you will, from the the type of thinking that blindly demands fast green speed. Green speed issues are, for now, a generational problem. We're still dealing with players, and will be for the next 50 years, that think they need something they've been erroneously told they need.

    When we finally have a generation in place that hasn't grown up with the expectation of 'speed', when they can see the sustainability issues with it and have stopped tying worth to it, then we'll see a turn to truly responsible care driven by need instead of subjective perception.

    Sandy's views, and others like his, think human nature is fundamentally good enough to trust without regulation. "It will regulate itself" they hope. They are willing to rely on the goodwill of strangers for things like your life savings and how baby toys are made. "They'll do the right thing".
    And when they don't, who deals with the problem? Who cleans up the financial disasters that are left? Who cleans up the waterways after them? Who pays for the doctor's bills from the illness caused by such benevolent and honest companies? Surely they'll help us with those costs since they were responsible for it...right? Sandy?

    And the argument that since humans are fallible, then they shouldn't be allowed to regulate/govern either, is a red herring. We know the history of our species better than ever. We, when left to our own devices have a history of being greedy and constantly faulty, if not murderous and traitorous when dealing with money and power. Always have, always will be. Self-preservation is our only constant, like any species.
    It's no wonder why we had to develop religion...needed some rules. Needed help to guide us because we're too corrupt to do it on our own. And you want to do away with regulations? Sky's the limit, Sandy?
    You're like the member(s) I have who watch the US Open, then come out and can't understand why I can't do the same thing everyday. Their thinking is broken.

    Regulations -- rules -- laws...religious or governmental - gotta have them. Unfortunately we can't vote on religious laws. But otherwise yeah, we need to ensure we're protected from our own good intentions, from ourselves.

    tldr; [size=85">(acronym clarification for pale: Too Long Didn't Read)[/size">

    "Growth" = "Green Speed" -- eventually enough of us will die off and the new brain trust will support something sustainable that makes sense.



  23. Steven Huffstutler
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    10/15/2011 2:10 PM
    [size=150">Commentator Josh Brown is a one-percenters. He's an investment adviser at Fusion Analytics in Manhattan. Here's his open letter to the banks that don't seem to get why people are mad.[/size">

    Josh Brown: In 2008, the American people were told that if they didn't bail out the banks, there way of life would never be the same. In no uncertain terms, our leaders told us anything short of saving these insolvent banks would result in a depression to the American public. We had to do it!

    At our darkest hour we gave these banks every single thing they asked for. We allowed investment banks to borrow money at zero percent interest rate, directly from the Fed. We gave them taxpayer cash right onto their balance sheets. We allowed them to suspend account rules and pretend that the toxic sludge they were carrying was worth 100 cents on the dollar. Anything to stave off insolvency. We left thousands of executives in place at these firms. Nobody went to jail, not a single perp walk. I can't even think of a single example of someone being fired. People resigned with full benefits and pensions, as though it were a job well done.

    The American taxpayer kicked in over a trillion dollars to help make all of this happen. But the banks didn't hold up their end of the bargain. The banks didn't seize this opportunity, this second chance to re-enter society as a constructive agent of commerce. Instead, they went back to business as usual. With $20 billion in bonuses paid during 2009. Another $20 billion in bonuses paid in 2010. And they did this with the profits they earned from zero percent interest rates that actually acted as a tax on the rest of the economy.

    Instead of coming back and working with this economy to get back on its feet, they hired lobbyists by the dozen to fight tooth and nail against any efforts whatsoever to bring common sense regulation to the financial industry. Instead of coming back and working with the people, they hired an army of robosigners to process millions of foreclosures. In many cases, without even having the proper paperwork to evict the homeowners. Instead, the banks announced layoffs in the tens of thousands, so that executives at the top of the pile could maintain their outrageous levels of compensation.

    We bailed out Wall Street to avoid Depression, but three years later, millions of Americans are in a living hell. This is why they're enraged, this why they're assembling, this is why they hate you. Why for the first time in 50 years, the people are coming out in the streets and they're saying, "Enough."



  24. Steven Kurta
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    10/15/2011 4:10 PM
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  25. Steven Huffstutler
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    10/16/2011 4:10 AM
    Brett Arends a is a columnist for the Wall Street Journal. In today's editorial, he speaks to all of us capitalists who should be angry at Wall St.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... ett+arends



  26. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/16/2011 7:10 AM
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  27. Steven Kurta
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    10/16/2011 8:10 AM
    This won't be sat through by the conservatives here, they'll pick-up a partisan tone right away. But if you can hold on till the Karl Denninger (one of the founding members of the tea party) part, it has some interesting stuff on how not to let your movement be ruined by either of the political parties and their agendas - as his was..
    Basically, the tea party could've remained legit if they had steered away from the republican party and all their pet ponies. If the OWS can do the same with the dems, they may be on to something. Let's hope the dems leave them alone.

    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Sgym2OL4tc[/youtube">



  28. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/16/2011 9:10 AM
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  29. Peter Bowman
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    10/16/2011 9:10 AM
    wahlins said: [img">http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/scottcgcs/rfk.jpg[/img">


    So then, I suppose, "I guess that when there is not plenty, poverty is good?"
    - Peter L. Bowman



  30. Wahlin Scott B
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    10/16/2011 9:10 AM
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